LSJ: Question about Slaves:

Saxum's special text says "Camarilla Tremere Slave." Even though the gargoyles are in general Independant, if they are a camarilla slave or a sabbat slave, does that make them part of that sect? I assume so since it doesn't specify Independant on the card text.

[ quoted text not captured ] Card text applies, yes. See also: Lucita et al. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Jon Stahler" <sta...@staff.uiuc.edu> a écrit dans le message news: YHeD7.761$Wa1....@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu... [ quoted text not captured ] and what if a Sabbat Tremere slave's master is mind raped, then equipped with a Writ of acceptance, thus not being Sabbat anymore ? wouldn't have been wiser to print "Tremere slave" and "Tremere antitribu slave ", with the matching clan symbols ? reyda

Reyda wrote: > what if a Sabbat Tremere slave's master is ... equipped > with a Writ of acceptance, thus not being Sabbat anymore ? wouldn't have > been wiser to print "Tremere slave" and "Tremere antitribu slave ", with the > matching clan symbols ? > > reyda Read the rule again. He's Camarilla and he's a Tremere Slave. The slave rule works only on clan, not on sect. [ quoted text not captured ]

Thanks. The only reason I asked is that usually there is a colon after the Sect designation, which is not present here. Didn't know if you meant that Saxum is a Camarilla and beyond that a Slave to the regular Tremere or if you meant they were slaves to the Camarilla Tremere. Thanks again for the clarification. "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3BDD795D...@white-wolf.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

Jon Stahler wrote: > > Thanks. The only reason I asked is that usually there is a colon after the > Sect designation, which is not present here. Didn't know if you meant that > Saxum is a Camarilla and beyond that a Slave to the regular Tremere or if > you meant they were slaves to the Camarilla Tremere. Thanks again for the > clarification. > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > news:3BDD795D...@white-wolf.com... > > Jon Stahler wrote: > > > > > > Saxum's special text says "Camarilla Tremere Slave." Even though the > > > gargoyles are in general Independant, if they are a camarilla slave or a > > > sabbat slave, does that make them part of that sect? I assume so since > it > > > doesn't specify Independant on the card text. > > > > Card text applies, yes. See also: Lucita et al. Both the Sect and Slave status come before the colon, which is still present, yes. [ quoted text not captured ]

<snip> > > > Card text applies, yes. See also: Lucita et al. > > Both the Sect and Slave status come before the colon, which is still present, > yes. This also raises another question: will there be other non-gargoyle vampires who are slaves?

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3BDD79E7...@white-wolf.com... > Reyda wrote: > > what if a Sabbat Tremere slave's master is ... equipped > > with a Writ of acceptance, thus not being Sabbat anymore ? wouldn't have > > been wiser to print "Tremere slave" and "Tremere antitribu slave ", with the > > matching clan symbols ? > > > > reyda > > Read the rule again. He's Camarilla and he's a Tremere Slave. > The slave rule works only on clan, not on sect. thank you =) and what about a Gargoyle who clan impersonates into a tremere ? does this allow them to get rid of their masters ? (say now that Saxum is a tremere and can act of his own, i'll play golconda on Rebekka) reyda

Reyda wrote: > and what about a Gargoyle who clan impersonates into a tremere ? A ready Tremere is sufficient for a Tremere slave to take a (D) action; even a Gargoyle CI'ed to be a Tremere will do (card/rule text). [ quoted text not captured ]

"Jon Stahler" <sta...@staff.uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:YHeD7.761$Wa1....@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu... [ quoted text not captured ] And what if you put a Blood Dool on a camarilla slave, does he then become a Camarilla Vitae Slave? :P [joke] Roger

In message <3BDD8374...@white-wolf.com>, LSJ <vtesrep@white- wolf.com> writes: >Reyda wrote: >> and what about a Gargoyle who clan impersonates into a tremere ? > >A ready Tremere is sufficient for a Tremere slave to take a (D) action; >even a Gargoyle CI'ed to be a Tremere will do (card/rule text). And a Slave Gargoyle who Impersonated to the relevant clan would be sufficient for himself, right? -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D And if it's all right, I'd kind've like to be your lover EBD690ECD7A1F 'Cause when you're with me I can't help but be B457CA213D7E6 So desperately, uncontrollably happy 68C3695D623D5D

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3BDD8374...@white-wolf.com>... > Reyda wrote: > > and what about a Gargoyle who clan impersonates into a tremere ? > > A ready Tremere is sufficient for a Tremere slave to take a (D) action; > even a Gargoyle CI'ed to be a Tremere will do (card/rule text). Man, those lan Impersonations are becoming more nad more useful (and with more and more disc. being created, lets not forget to mention Ian FOrestal, too). ~SV

"Jon Stahler" <sta...@staff.uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:<t5fD7.769$Wa1....@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>... [ quoted text not captured ] Well... really... all vampires are slaves of the methusula (sp!). :) ~SV

>and what if a Sabbat Tremere slave's master is mind raped, then equipped >with a Writ of acceptance, thus not being Sabbat anymore ? wouldn't have >been wiser to print "Tremere slave" and "Tremere antitribu slave ", with the >matching clan symbols ? Well I'm pretty sure that most of the gargoyles will either be "Camarilla Tremere Slave," "Sabbat Tremere Antitribu Slave," or "Independent." And a Sabbat Tremere (who equipped a make-believe Sabbat version of Writ) would still count as a Tremere (for the Tremere Slave) and a Camarilla Tremere Antitribu will still count as Tremere Antitribu (for the Tremere Antitribu Slave). I think the first part (Camarilla/Sabbat) tells you the sect of the gargoyle (not what the master needs to be). Halcyan 2

> This also raises another question: will there be other non-gargoyle > vampires who are slaves? If not, is there a card that makes slaves....;)

tlo...@satx.rr.com (Tobias Loehr) wrote in message news:<ddd3e087.01102...@posting.google.com>... > > This also raises another question: will there be other non-gargoyle > > vampires who are slaves? > > > If not, is there a card that makes slaves....;) AAbt kindred are de facto Nefertiti slaves (or was kemintiri? you never got an eldb around when you need it) Andrea

>AAbt kindred are de facto Nefertiti slaves (or was kemintiri? you >never got an eldb around when you need it) Well, not exactly. Aabt Kindred can't Malleable Visage for Nefertiti (and there's a difference). Yes, Nefertiti and Kemintiri are both 4th gen Followers of Set (both sired by Set himself). Keminitir is just kick-ass! She's number one on the red list for assassinating a previous Ventrue Justicar and taking his place (and she successfully masqueraded as Ventrue Justicar for quite a while). You also knows Bardo (she can't remember whether she was originally a Children of Osiris set to infiltrate the Followers of Set or the other way around). A shame that time has had its toll on her sanity (amnesia and personality problems). In any case, she's not exactly a team player when it comes to her plan (doesn't really care much 'bout the "clan."). In Jyhad/VTES Kemintiri isn't that great (but she's still cool). She has a simply wonderful picture by Ken Meyer Jr. and a pretty cool discipline spread (aus dom OBF PRE SER THA is nothing to sneeze at!). Her special's a bit weak though. Appropriate for the backstory But not that useful. What's she going to do if she decides to attack a Ventrue? And she even has the penalty that she can get attacked back! But Keminitir is still cool! Nefertiti is also a 4th gen Setite. She's in Berlin By Night. She was originally a princess that was embraced by Set. Unlike Kemintiri, she actually does her best to serve her master. Working with a bane mummy and her Aabt "slaves," she attempts to seize control of Berlin by throwing the city into chaos with a "false Caine" (Ankla Hotep). Unfortunately, despite her Methusaleh intellect, she still manages to do the whole "tell the good guys her entire plan since they're going to die anyway" thing. And Samat shows up to save the PC's and they have to stop "Caine" themselves, or get Tremere super-Justicar Karl Schrekt to do it for them. In any case, in Jyhad/VTES Nefertiti is pretty vicious too (but then again, Nefertiti was FN and Keminitir was AH, which explains things). The picture (by Lawrence Snelly) is also extremely lovely. In fact, I'd have to argue that the Followers of Set has the best female vamps (with Aisha, Keminitir, and Nefertiti). Mmmm... Well back to the topic. As a FN vamp, Nefertiti gets some more points. Can't do too much with cel DOM OBF pot PRE SER. The Dominate of course works quite well if the other Setities. But Celerity isn't particularly scary on a Setite and all the Potence is likely to do is shatter some Meat Hooks. Interestingly enough though, Intisar, Nefertiti, and Sutekh all have cel pot (in addition to superiors for all in-clans). In addition, Nefertiti's corruption special has been waited for for quite some time. And then top it off with a bleed bonus. Quite nice. Okay, I think I got off on a tangent. But to conclude, while Keminitiri and Nefertiti are both lovely ladies, you shouldn't be getting them confused!!! =) Halcyan 2

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. [LSJ 29-OCT-2001] [ quoted text not captured ]

>I'd have to argue that the Followers of Set has the best female vamps > (with Aisha, Keminitir, and Nefertiti). Mmmm... yes....they are nice. But are you forgetting about Kalinda, Raven, Camille Devereux? And don't even get me started on Tara Vaughn and Dolphin Black (not the faces here people)...

In message <ddd3e087.01103...@posting.google.com>, Tobias [ quoted text not captured ] Would it be terribly inappropriate for me to mention Salinger here? Or Lazverinus? (Chaqun a son gout etc.) -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1F If I had a dick, I'd go get laid. We can do the B457CA213D7E6 next best thing. Let's kill people. Oh, not *you*. 68C3695D623D5D

In article <ddd3e087.01103...@posting.google.com>, "Tobias Loehr" <tlo...@satx.rr.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Melisande. Just. Melisande. You know, she probably was a real woman before being Photoshoppized by Christopher Shy. We should ask him her phone number. Francois, who already posted this on VTES-francophone, let's all speak french !

In article <WCKRrstI...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>, "James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >>yes....they are nice. But are you forgetting about Kalinda, Raven, >>Camille Devereux? And don't even get me started on Tara Vaughn and >>Dolphin Black (not the faces here people)... > > Would it be terribly inappropriate for me to mention Salinger here? Or > Lazverinus? > > > > (Chaqun a son gout etc.) > Basically anything non-nosferatu is accepted, with Renegade Garou being somewhat near the limit. Francois

> > Would it be terribly inappropriate for me to mention Salinger here? Or > Lazverinus? > Hahaha, not at all, to each their own....besides I would love to be buffed like Salinger....

"Francois Gombault" <fgom...@actinvoispam.net> a écrit dans le message news: 9rmj07$vs$1...@s1.read.news.oleane.net... > In article <ddd3e087.01103...@posting.google.com>, "Tobias > Loehr" <tlo...@satx.rr.com> wrote: > Melisande. Just. Melisande. > You know, she probably was a real woman before being Photoshoppized by > Christopher Shy. We should ask him her phone number. Yeah ! maybe you can have her additional stroke too... While we're talking about vampiric phantasma, have you ever considered the uber cool looking Gillin Krader ? reyda

[ quoted text not captured ] Camille is nice of course (though it's sort of cheating - copying from a Victoria's Secret catalog and all!) However, Raven isn't really all that. I guess Tura and Dolphin have...a lot of cleavage we'll say, but overall they are quite disgusting! Dolphin's too demented and weird lookin' and Tura's just plain scary... Still deciding on Kalinda though... =) Halcyan 2

>Melisande. Just. Melisande. > >You know, she probably was a real woman before being Photoshoppized by >Christopher Shy. We should ask him her phone number. Definitely. Melisande is also very lovely. BTW: I didn't say that the Followers of Set was the *only* clan to have some lovely ladies. I'm just saying that the Followers have the most! Don't forget Stanislava, Arika, Genevieve, Anneke, Nakova, and Cassandra! =) Halcyan 2

>Would it be terribly inappropriate for me to mention Salinger here? Or >Lazverinus? I'll have to admit that Salinger is quite good-looking (for a guy, of course. Perhaps, like Melisande, Salinger's a real person?). But I have to re-iterate that despite his hand damage, Lazverinus looks too much like a pansy! I'll also have to give kudos to Caliban, Gillespi, Samat, and our dear friend Smudge! Maybe Jost too... (You know, this thread is rapidly becoming just like that Beefcake thread that was started oh so long ago). =) Halcyan 2

In article <20011031004823...@mb-dh.aol.com>, "Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote: > Definitely. Melisande is also very lovely. > > BTW: I didn't say that the Followers of Set was the *only* clan to have > some lovely ladies. I'm just saying that the Followers have the most! > > I agree. But I bet even the lovely poisonous Setites will have a tough competition with the upcoming Arhimanes... Wait and see... Francois

In message <20011031004823...@mb-dh.aol.com>, Halcyan 2 <halc...@aol.com> writes: >Don't forget Stanislava, Arika, Genevieve, Anneke, Nakova, and Cassandra! =) Is it true that Mike Ooi has pornography of Mariel, Lady Thunder? [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <20011031005256...@mb-fi.aol.com>, Halcyan 2 <halc...@aol.com> writes: >But I have to re-iterate >that despite his hand damage, Lazverinus looks too much like a pansy! You say that like it's a bad thing. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Reyda" <re...@noos.fr> wrote in message news:9rmsgc$qbm$1...@neon.noos.net... [ quoted text not captured ] Nah. Too much Xena, for my tastes. Jeroen

"jeroen rombouts" <jeroen....@pandora.be> a écrit dans le message news: ytVD7.176$G43...@afrodite.telenet-ops.be... [ quoted text not captured ] Great ! i like tall girls, you know =) I want to find one sooo big people think i'm her keyholder or something ;)

In article <9rp9fn$iif$1...@neon.noos.net>, "Reyda" <re...@noos.fr> wrote: >> Nah. Too much Xena, for my tastes. > >Great ! i like tall girls, you know =) >I want to find one sooo big people think i'm her keyholder or something ;) But Lucy Lawless isn't actually all that tall. (I know she's less than 5'6".) They just hire short people for the show to make her look taller. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail: santiago [at] umug [dot] org || Web: http://santiago.umug.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ceci n'est pas un 'sig block'."

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:09:44 +0000, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >In message <20011031004823...@mb-dh.aol.com>, Halcyan 2 ><halc...@aol.com> writes: >>Don't forget Stanislava, Arika, Genevieve, Anneke, Nakova, and Cassandra! =) > >Is it true that Mike Ooi has pornography of Mariel, Lady Thunder? No. You're thinking of Tereza Rostas. -- Derek "Agricultural barbarians? What do THEY do... rape, pillage, and plant?"

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, LSJ wrote: > Jon Stahler wrote: > > > > Saxum's special text says "Camarilla Tremere Slave." Even though the > > gargoyles are in general Independant, if they are a camarilla slave or a > > sabbat slave, does that make them part of that sect? I assume so since it > > doesn't specify Independant on the card text. > > Card text applies, yes. See also: Lucita et al. i bet i am hell late on this, but.... from the image of the vampire, it looks like "camarilla" is in bold, and "tremere slave" is in non-bold. therefore, the vampire is camarilla, and he needs a tremere out to take D actions. whether that tremere is camarilla or not is irrelevant. (note that tremere is a clan, not a sect. and thus a tremere anti with a writ of acceptance is still a tremere anti, he is just in the camarilla for some reason, for the case where you might see "SABBAT Tremere antitribu slave") salem.

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