Setup: Some N-C vampire equips with a Writ of Acceptance [AH],
then does/gets a bunch of Cam-only stuff like:
1. Seizes Praxis (successfully)
2. Is named a Cam Exemplary
3. Is named an Archon
Then, some other minion steals/destroys the Writ, revoking our
hero's Camarilla status.
1. Is he still a Prince?
2. Is he still a Cam Exemplary?
3. Is he still an Archon?
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On 6 Jun 1996 12:39:30 GMT, sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson)
wrote:
>Setup: Some N-C vampire equips with a Writ of Acceptance [AH],
>then does/gets a bunch of Cam-only stuff like:
>
>1. Seizes Praxis (successfully)
>2. Is named a Cam Exemplary
>3. Is named an Archon
>
>Then, some other minion steals/destroys the Writ, revoking our
>hero's Camarilla status.
>
>1. Is he still a Prince?
>2. Is he still a Cam Exemplary?
>3. Is he still an Archon?
Hairy question. My own feeling on this is that once such a Writ of Acceptance
is accepted, it is useful *only* as a reminder to the rest of the players that
this vampire has been accepted as a member of the Camarilla. Having never
actually come across this card in play, however, I haven't read it and thus
can't say for certain without reading what the card says.
I see no reason why a vampire that stops being a Camarilla member would
keep its Cam-only positions (e.g. Prince or Archon), but I'll have to
double check on that.
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On 10 Jun 1996, Thomas R Wylie wrote:
> I see no reason why a vampire that stops being a Camarilla member would
> keep its Cam-only positions (e.g. Prince or Archon), but I'll have to
> double check on that.
If Bill Clinton immigrates to Sweden, is he still the President??
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960611220535.10264K-100000@freenet> mal...@macatawa.org writes:
>> I see no reason why a vampire that stops being a Camarilla member would
>> keep its Cam-only positions (e.g. Prince or Archon), but I'll have to
>> double check on that.>If Bill Clinton emmigrates to Sweden, is he still the President??
If Bill Clinton's passport is stolen is he no longer a US citizen? The
vampire isn't renouncing its camarilla status, it citizenship papers were
stolen.
On 10 Jun 1996, Thomas R Wylie wrote:
>>Setup: Some N-C vampire equips with a Writ of Acceptance [AH],
>>then does/gets a bunch of Cam-only stuff like:
>>
>>1. Seizes Praxis (successfully)
>>2. Is named a Cam Exemplary
>>3. Is named an Archon
>>
>>Then, some other minion steals/destroys the Writ, revoking our
>>hero's Camarilla status.
>>
>>1. Is he still a Prince?
>>2. Is he still a Cam Exemplary?
>>3. Is he still an Archon?> I see no reason why a vampire that stops being a Camarilla member would> keep its Cam-only positions (e.g. Prince or Archon), but I'll have to
> double check on that.
--
First off, why is this different than something like Blood Bond, which
cannot target a Prince, but won't cease functioning if the target
eventually becomes a Prince?
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Second, along the same lines, would a titled vamp still be a titled vamp if
he impersonates another clan?
1. Justicar (recognized as either the Justicar of the new or original clan)?
2. Prince (probably, since princes are city-based)?
3. Primogen?
4. Inner Circle member?
Would it make a difference if the impersonated clan was Non-Cam?
Likewise, if the Impersonator was named a Justicar of the impersonated
clan, and subsequently burned the Imperonation card, would he still
be a Justicar?
Would a vote-bearing Non-Cam be subject to the same rulings if he or she
Impersonates a Camarilla clan?
If the votes/titles are lost, are they regianed once the vampire
ceases to impersonate. Or, if a title was gained while impersonating,
would the vampire regain the title if he re-impersonated the clan
after burning the first impersonation?
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Clan Impersonation (Action) 2 Blood
Requires a ready vampire
+1 stealth action
Choose a clan when this card is played. Put this card on the acting
vampire. This vampire is considered to be of the chosen clan instead of
his or her original clan (if any). All options available to the chosen
clans are now open to the acting vampire. This card may be burned by the
vampire as an action.
Illus. Max Shade Fellwalker
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sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) writes:
>On 10 Jun 1996, Thomas R Wylie wrote:>> I see no reason why a vampire that stops being a Camarilla member would
>> keep its Cam-only positions (e.g. Prince or Archon), but I'll have to
>> double check on that.>--
>First off, why is this different than something like Blood Bond, which
^^^^^^^^^^
"Bloodhunt", that is. Blood Bond, of course, make no mention
of Princes, et. al. Sorry.
>cannot target a Prince, but won't cease functioning if the target
>eventually becomes a Prince?[ quoted text not captured ]
On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Daniel Hoffman wrote:
> >> I see no reason why a vampire that stops being a Camarilla member would
> >> keep its Cam-only positions (e.g. Prince or Archon), but I'll have to
> >> double check on that.
>> >If Bill Clinton emmigrates to Sweden, is he still the President??
>
> If Bill Clinton's passport is stolen is he no longer a US citizen? The
> vampire isn't renouncing its camarilla status, it citizenship papers were
> stolen.
Ah, but if that's the case, we'd have to bring in rules for insurance
("My Ravnos steals your Ivory Bow" "That's OK; I have Allstate"). It
could get even sillier ("My Tremere plays Theft of Vitae and steals a
blod from you" "That's OK, I have Blue Cross"). If an Item is stolen,
you should lose all benefits from that item, including any abilities and
benefits it gave you (such as the ability to gain and hold Camarilla
positions). IMHO, that is.
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Daniel Hoffman <dhof...@cris.com> wrote:
>>> I see no reason why a vampire that stops being a Camarilla member would
>>> keep its Cam-only positions (e.g. Prince or Archon), but I'll have to
>>> double check on that.>>If Bill Clinton emmigrates to Sweden, is he still the President??
I'm not a constitutional scholar, so I wouldn't know. But even if he isn't
automatically out, how long do you think it's going to be before Congress
impeaches him?
>If Bill Clinton's passport is stolen is he no longer a US citizen? The
>vampire isn't renouncing its camarilla status, it citizenship papers were
>stolen.
Why would the Camarilla possibly care why the vampire is no longer part of
their sect? A member of the Sabbat is a member of the Sabbat, whether she
went willingly, or got shanghaied with a shovel. It's highly unlikely that
a Writ of Acceptance (which I'm assuming your "passport" reference is to) is
carried around by a vampire, anyway. If a vampire is Accepted into the Cam,
the local Cam vampires will know this and treat them accordingly.
Certainly if a Prince defects to another sect, the Camarilla are going to
force him out of his seat and select a new Prince. The only real question is
whether it should be assumed in V:TES that the Cam knows it when
a member has left the sect.
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mal...@macatawa.org wrote:
: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Daniel Hoffman wrote:
> I see no reason why a vampire that stops being a Camarilla member would
> keep its Cam-only positions (e.g. Prince or Archon), but I'll have to
> double check on that.
How is the ruling on being a Camarilla member phrased? I have
never seen an official statement on the concept. If the part
about being a prince reads something like "only Camarilla
vampires may be princes" then it seems a vampire who has his
status revoked would lose the title. However, if the rule is
that "only Camarilla vampires may call praxis seizure political
actions (and other Camarilla political actions, such as
Archon)" then the fact that your Ravnos, for instance, called
the PS as a Camarilla is the only condition necessary, and he
would retain the title. I'd like to see the active rule on
this issue, if anyone knows where I might find it.
-Dave Green
In article <4pqcn7$r...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R
Wylie) wrote:
> Certainly if a Prince defects to another sect, the Camarilla are going to
> force him out of his seat and select a new Prince. The only real question is
> whether it should be assumed in V:TES that the Cam knows it when
> a member has left the sect.
Which brings up another question: does the Curse of the Tremere (cannot
commit diablerie, a restriction on all AH Assamites) carryover to Embraced
or Progenied Assamites?
J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com>
PGP keys by request
In article <4pqcn7$r...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) writes:
>Certainly if a Prince defects to another sect, the Camarilla are going to
>force him out of his seat and select a new Prince. The only real question is
>whether it should be assumed in V:TES that the Cam knows it when
>a member has left the sect.
How does someone using a shattering blow to smash your writ equal a prince
defecting to another sect or becoming unaligned? A writ should be treated
like locquipment, once in play it is no longer considered equipment.
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But then you have the problem of it getting Arsoned or Rampaged to the
ground... and that doesn't make too much sense either.. :)
WyldStar
WildStar (Wyld...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Daniel Hoffman wrote:: > How does someone using a shattering blow to smash your writ equal a prince: > defecting to another sect or becoming unaligned? A writ should be treated
: > like locquipment, once in play it is no longer considered equipment.: But then you have the problem of it getting Arsoned or Rampaged to the
: ground... and that doesn't make too much sense either.. :)
'like locquipment' != location.
I believe that he meant that once a vampire was equipped with this
particular piece of equipment, it should no longer be considered
equipment, _or anything else_. If cannot be stolen, traded, shattered,
arson'd, etc. It would act more like a non-unique title than a piece
of equipment.
Personally, I like the idea; It doesn't make sense that it can be
destroyed, stolen, _or_ traded to another vampire, personally.
Shane, not Nicole.
Shane H.W. Travis | We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing,
tra...@sedsystems.ca | but others judge us by what we have already done.
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | -- Longfellow
I just imagine that this "Writ of Acceptance" Is like those mysterious
travel documents that allowed Victor Laszlo and Illsa Lund to leave
Casablanca (i.e., cannot be questioned and usable by whoever has them.)
The card test says that a Vampire who has the card is considered a member
of the Camarilla. Presumably then, one who no longer has it is not
considered a member and can no longer be Prince, Grand Poobah, or any
other Camarilla official. It would seem to make the card less confusing
to use.
Doug