In article <3la3h7$r...@redwood.cs.scarolina.edu> sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) writes:
>du...@gate.net (Kelly) writes:
>>> [...] also..any help on
>>how I can beat a weenie deck..the highest level vamp they have is 4 but
>>after two or three autarkis persecutions they have like 12 vamps out...I
>>can stop most but eventually it erodes my vamps...any help would be
>>appreciated..thanks..>
>*Beat the crap outta the weanies* (potence,celerity,thaum,protean).
I know that Potence and Thaum is everything against weenies,
and Celerity is nice. Can someone please explain to me
how Protean works against weenies?
I have the feeling that Potence works /so/ much better against
weenies than Protean that Protean shouldn't really work.
Potence doesn't cost blood, and put the weenie in torpor
with no blood. Protean (Claws) costs blood, and put the weenie
in torpor with blood ...
--
"Live Life with Heart."
Alan Kwan kw...@cs.cornell.edu
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But potence and protean combined can burn the weenie outright.
(Torn SIgnpost/Undead Strength/Fists of Death + Claws = 3+ agg.)
(Then he can't transfer equipment from the torpor-ed vamp).
kw...@cs.cornell.edu (Alan Kwan) wrote:
>
> In article <3la3h7$r...@redwood.cs.scarolina.edu> sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) writes:> >du...@gate.net (Kelly) writes:
> >
> >> [...] also..any help on
> >>how I can beat a weenie deck..the highest level vamp they have is 4 but
> >>after two or three autarkis persecutions they have like 12 vamps out...I
> >>can stop most but eventually it erodes my vamps...any help would be
> >>appreciated..thanks..
> >> >*Beat the crap outta the weanies* (potence,celerity,thaum,protean).
>
> I know that Potence and Thaum is everything against weenies,
> and Celerity is nice. Can someone please explain to me
> how Protean works against weenies?
>
> I have the feeling that Potence works /so/ much better against
> weenies than Protean that Protean shouldn't really work.
> Potence doesn't cost blood, and put the weenie in torpor
> with no blood. Protean (Claws) costs blood, and put the weenie
> in torpor with blood ...
Peace Alan,
I wouldn't use aggr dam vs most weenie decks (as Gangrel). I should have
enough 2 hand damage vamps (two) to simulate Potence. I'd try to press
combats and do repeated damage, as opposed to sending weenies to torpor.
The exception I would make would be a "heavy" weenie (four starting blood
or has a skill card added) or a weenie toting nasty equipment (Laptops).
Those I would probably send to torpor. Then I'd send my weakest vamp to
encounter them. A real weenie wave is so nasty that most people won't
care if you diablerize them (around here at least).
Nil carborundum illigitimi,
James R. McClure Jr.
The OS/2 Apostle
<insert disclaimer here>
Alan Kwan writes:
>I know that Potence and Thaum is everything against weenies,
>and Celerity is nice. Can someone please explain to me
>how Protean works against weenies?>I have the feeling that Potence works /so/ much better against
>weenies than Protean that Protean shouldn't really work>Potence doesn't cost blood, and put the weenie in torpor>with no blood. Protean (Claws) costs blood, and puts the weenie>in torpor with blood ...
Weenie decks with torpor rescue abilities tend to exhaust any deck's "get
into combat" resources. The problem is especially acute for Protean
combat, where the combater is losing blood as well.
Protean's use lies in combination with + damage cards, which often allow
burning. If the weenies can't rescue, they can generally be knocked off
without much trouble.
Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)
> I know that Potence and Thaum is everything against weenies,
> and Celerity is nice. Can someone please explain to me
> how Protean works against weenies?
>
> I have the feeling that Potence works /so/ much better against> weenies than Protean that Protean shouldn't really work.> Potence doesn't cost blood, and put the weenie in torpor> with no blood. Protean (Claws) costs blood, and put the weenie
> in torpor with blood ...
>
> --
> "Live Life with Heart."
>
> Alan Kwan kw...@cs.cornell.edu
>
>
That depends on how you play. I like to use Earth Meld so I can block as
many of the weenies as I want with one vamp. If I have enough to block
most or all of them, then I can send them to torpor with blood on them
and then when my turn rolls around I can diablarize and get that blood
plus any equipment I didn't destroy. If I don't have enough votes to win
bloodhunts, then I don't use claws on them right away. I wait until one
gets to zero blood and use a 2 hand damage vamp to block when he hunts.
Now I use claws and burn him. It's less costly to send weenies to torpor
with potence, but protean makes up for this with its versatility.
Gangrel do tend to pay blood for their actions, but that's what
Restoration and Aaron's Feeding Razor are for.
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Paul Schaaf
sch...@u.washington.edu