Q: Master Skill Card on Uncontrolled Vampire?

In article <GFINK.96M...@avalon.cs.ucdavis.edu>, gf...@avalon.cs.ucdavis.edu (George Fink) wrote: : One of the difficult things about JOL games is that we get people from : a variety of backgrounds and rule-interpretations. A player has tried : to play a Master Skill card on an uncontrolled vampire. I think this : is invalid, but I am unable to (in card text, and the rules team : rulings on lsj's web site) find anything that specifically disallows : this. : : Where should I look? Is this play in fact legal? : : Thanks, : : --George/JOL moderator Well, I don't have any copies of the V:tES rulesbook, but here is an excerpt from the Jyhad corrected rulebook: 7.2.1 Master Cards Skills: Skill cards are played on your vampires. Now, granted that doesn't give you much information, but here is what I garner from it. A vampire in the inactive region is uncontrolled. It belongs to no one. Just like a contested vamp, you cannot play any cards on inactive vampires unless the cards specifically allow it. So, because a vampire in the inactive region is not _your_ vampire (yet) you cannot play a skill card on it. I am sure that there is similar wording in the V:tES rulebook. I would look in the Master Card section, specificially under Skills, and in all the sections concerning contested or uncontrolled cards. Note, however, if I am wrong and you can play a skill card on it, it would increase the blood capacity of the vamp meaning it would take longer to get out. I point this out just to show the logic of the situation in case Tom rules that you can play a Skill card on an uncontrolled vamp. Which you can't ;^) I hope this helps stephen beaulieu hi...@mail.utexas.edu

On 5 Mar 1996, George Fink wrote: > > > One of the difficult things about JOL games is that we get people from > a variety of backgrounds and rule-interpretations. A player has tried > to play a Master Skill card on an uncontrolled vampire. I think this > is invalid, but I am unable to (in card text, and the rules team > rulings on lsj's web site) find anything that specifically disallows > this. > > Where should I look? Is this play in fact legal? > > Thanks, > > --George/JOL moderator > > Well for my $00.02 I have never read anything that says no it can't be done. nor would i stop some one. If they wish to make and unctrolled vampire one older and pay that extra transfer thus wasting the transfer in my opinion and possibly making that vampire stay there another round let them. there is no rule that says it can't be done. It only states play a master card. I think you may find it to your advantage in giveing you another round to pounce on them plus. If you use the card that taps an uncontrolled vampire you know which one you want to do it to the older vamp with an extra skill of course. Evil chuckle let them give them self away it will help you out i would imagine. Methuselah Midnght

In article <Pine.BSF.3.91.960306...@web1.calweb.com>, Midnght <mid...@web1.calweb.com> writes: > Well for my $00.02 I have never read anything that says no it can't be > done. nor would i stop some one. If they wish to make and unctrolled > vampire one older and pay that extra transfer thus wasting the transfer > in my opinion and possibly making that vampire stay there another round > let them. there is no rule that says it can't be done. It only states > play a master card. I think you may find it to your advantage in giveing > you another round to pounce on them plus. If you use the card that taps > an uncontrolled vampire you know which one you want to do it to the older > vamp with an extra skill of course. Evil chuckle let them give them self > away it will help you out i would imagine. > Methuselah Midnght Well, except that cards in the inactive region are not in play. You cannot play ANYTHING to inactive vampires unless what you are doing specifically says that it can be used in this way. While it is a questionable move (in this case, I believe that it is probably a base attempt to cycle cards), it is not, in fact, legal. It can't be done. Ritaxis -- "Every message you leave on this answering machine, teaches YOU shaolin kung fu."

One of the rules of thumb about reading card texts is that nothing can interact with cards out of play unless it specifically says that it can, and this includes being unable to affect uncontrolled vampires (as they are not in play). For example, the discipline cards don't say you can play them on vampires that are out of play, so you can't. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.