Mask of 1000 faces vs thoughts betrayed.

Timothy M Dolan Jr <tdol...@ix.netcom.com> writes: >1. If you play mask of 1000 faces to replace a minion in combat that has >been affected by thoughts betrayed, is the replacing minion still >affected by thoughts betrayed? Mask cannot be played at this time, since it is not a combat card, and TB must be played 'at the last instant' before combat. If one wants to mask, it must be done before TB. If the TBer played to quickly, you may ask him to pick up the TB so that you be allowed to Mask. <Misc. questions deleted as they are impossible with the answer above> -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | are subject to card text. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |

In Article<4dskko$o...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, <tdol...@ix.netcom.com> write: > Path: shellx.best.com!news1.best.com!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews > From: Timothy M Dolan Jr <tdol...@ix.netcom.com> > Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad > Subject: Re: Mask of 1000 faces vs thoughts betrayed. > Date: 21 Jan 1996 05:57:44 GMT > Organization: Netcom > Lines: 9 > Message-ID: <4dskko$o...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> > References: <4ds2f2$g...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <4ds87a$6...@redwood.cs.sc.edu> > NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-dc8-06.ix.netcom.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jan 20 9:57:44 PM PST 1996 > X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) > > Given that you can use Form of Mist (a combat card) to continue an action > (unless the wording changed in V:tes version) It would seem to indicate > that combat is part of the action and therefore you should be able to > play Mask of 1000 faces in the middle of combat. May be I missed a ruling > or something, but is not combat a part of the action. Granted it > obviously was not a succsefull action. > > Tim Dolan > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The phrasing on Mask indicates to me that its still in the stealth part of the action. Of course I play more by the spirit then the letter. REF

[ quoted text not captured ] Combat (resulting from a blocked action) occurs after the action, not as a part of it. This is the official way of the world. [ quoted text not captured ]

Gary Schwartz wrote: > > In article <4e008i$1...@redwood.cs.sc.edu>, sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. > Scott Johnson) writes: > > >Timothy M Dolan Jr <tdol...@ix.netcom.com> writes: > > > >>Given that you can use Form of Mist (a combat card) to continue an action > >>(unless the wording changed in V:tes version) It would seem to indicate > >>that combat is part of the action and therefore you should be able to > >>play Mask of 1000 faces in the middle of combat. May be I missed a ruling > >>or something, but is not combat a part of the action. Granted it > >>obviously was not a succsefull action. > > > >Combat (resulting from a blocked action) occurs after the action, not > >as a part of it. This is the official way of the world. > >-- > > The only relevant issue here is that Mask is an action modifier, > and FoM is a combat modifier. This decides when they can be played, > and action modifiers cannot be played during combat - unless the card > specifically says so. > > Gary I'll go with the argument that mask is not a combat modifier and therefore can't be played while combat is occurring. Therefore mask of 100 faces is not a viable counter to thoughts betrayed. I still believe however, that combat is a continuation of the action. I would still like to hear other viable counters to TB instead of just it's broken. If when all possible counters have been fairly shot down we as a group can not find a reasonable counter to it then maybe it is broken. In hopes of finding a reasonable counter without rules changes - Tim Dolan.

In article <4dskko$o...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, Timothy M Dolan Jr <tdol...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Given that you can use Form of Mist (a combat card) to continue an action > (unless the wording changed in V:tes version) It would seem to indicate No, you play "Form of Mist" to *end* combat and continue the action. It is a S:CE card. Combat ends before you continue the action. There are other cards like this: "Majesty", "Earth Meld", and, in it's own odd way, "Dawn Operation". > that combat is part of the action and therefore you should be able to > play Mask of 1000 faces in the middle of combat. May be I missed a ruling > or something, but is not combat a part of the action. Granted it > obviously was not a succsefull action. Combat is an alternative to the action. The action ends and combat begins. With some S:CE cards and others the combat ends and an action begins. Simon --- "This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind" -Ecclesiastes 4:16 si...@onechip.co.uk | Not affiliated to any religion | Not affiliated to any politics H (+44/0)1784 431998 | Not affiliated to any ideology W (+44/0)1784 434568 (GMT/BST) | What does that make me? "I have been asked to point out, as if you couldn't guess, that my rantings are not the opinions of One Chip Solutions. So now you know, don't you..?"