Heidelburg and Horrid Reality

L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu) wrote: : Since the official stance on the illusionary weapon retrieved : by Horrid Reality is that it becomes real if the illusionist : no longer posses the weapon at the end of combat (it was stolen, : for example), that makes the Heidelburg Castle / Horrid Reality : a pretty good combo (Idea from Olethros' post on the feedback : board on my VtES page) : Use Horrid Reality to pull a weapon for free, then transfer it : (before the end of combat, but after strikes, of course :-) to : one of your other minions. Bingo - free weapon. Repeat once : per turn you take (since you have to tap the Castle). The fun : never stops! : 'Course with the common sense house rule that the illusionary : weapon is an illusion, this combo becomes much less effective, : since the weapon will vanish at the end of combat, but why : apply common sense when you can unbalance the game instead? All right... Time to pull out the Assault Rifles again... Of course, they might issue a new stance that somehow negates this combo. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | "What is a man without the beasts? If the beasts were gone, | | man would die from a great loneliness of spirit." | | "Confuse, annoy, and dee-STROY!!" Call me "Nicole" and I | | npu...@tiger.lsu.edu -- Jet...@aol.com will have to kill you. | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> <...> > If the weapon is no longer in play at end of combat, do not burn it > (or shuffle it into your library). Otherwise, it is burned or shuffled > as appropriate. > -- > L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and > http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | are subject to card text. > Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Glad to hear it. Also, according to the Vampire RPG this power cannot send a vampire to Torpor or kill anyone. I think this should be used to prohibit ammo cards being used with the weapon. Of course flamethrower should still be allowed, simply to keep it simple. What do you think? REF

Since the official stance on the illusionary weapon retrieved by Horrid Reality is that it becomes real if the illusionist no longer posses the weapon at the end of combat (it was stolen, for example), that makes the Heidelburg Castle / Horrid Reality a pretty good combo (Idea from Olethros' post on the feedback board on my VtES page) Use Horrid Reality to pull a weapon for free, then transfer it (before the end of combat, but after strikes, of course :-) to one of your other minions. Bingo - free weapon. Repeat once per turn you take (since you have to tap the Castle). The fun never stops! 'Course with the common sense house rule that the illusionary weapon is an illusion, this combo becomes much less effective, since the weapon will vanish at the end of combat, but why apply common sense when you can unbalance the game instead? [ quoted text not captured ]

> Since the official stance on the illusionary weapon retrieved > by Horrid Reality is that it becomes real if the illusionist > no longer posses the weapon at the end of combat (it was stolen, > for example), that makes the Heidelburg Castle / Horrid Reality > a pretty good combo (Idea from Olethros' post on the feedback > board on my VtES page) >-- > L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Could you post the comment that says this. I remmber seeing a post that said it wouldn't go back to the Library if destroyed or stolen, but I read that as it goes to your asheap. REF

[ quoted text not captured ] Hmm. OK. Guess I should check my sources a little more thoroughly. :-) You're right (mostly). It goes to your ash heap or is re-shuffled (as appropriate to the skill of the minion playing HR), regardless of where it is so long as it is in play. If it is not in play (was burned), then it is not burned or re-shuffled - it simply remains burned. The actual response: From: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Subject: Re: Horrid Reality Date: 12 Dec 1995 03:03:10 GMT Message-ID: <4airde$6...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <...> If the weapon is no longer in play at end of combat, do not burn it (or shuffle it into your library). Otherwise, it is burned or shuffled as appropriate. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and [ quoted text not captured ]

L. Scott Johnson <sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu> wrote: >Since the official stance on the illusionary weapon retrieved >by Horrid Reality is that it becomes real if the illusionist >no longer posses the weapon at the end of combat (it was stolen, >for example)... Looks like there was a miscommunication, probably from this reply of mine: ---- >>If the weapon is no longer in play at end of combat, do not burn it >>(or shuffle it into your library). Otherwise, it is burned or shuffled >>as appropriate. >Does this apply to stolen weapons as well? Yes. ---- The "yes" was trying to say that if the weapon is stolen during the combat, it is still burned or shuffled as appropriate. Sorry if this was unclear. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu) wrote: : 'Course with the common sense house rule that the illusionary : weapon is an illusion, this combo becomes much less effective, : since the weapon will vanish at the end of combat, but why : apply common sense when you can unbalance the game instead? Because if you have played V:TM at all you should know that korrid reality is just that an illusion and nothing more. So to allow people to keep the weapons in Jyhad just does not fit with what the power is. Raymond -- dco...@winternet.com / http://www.winternet.com/~dcooper/index.html Also check out the FRANTiK/POD Page at : http://www.winternet.com/~smorse/fp-splash.html

Dale Cooper (dco...@winternet.com) wrote: : L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu) wrote: : : 'Course with the common sense house rule that the illusionary : : weapon is an illusion, this combo becomes much less effective, : : since the weapon will vanish at the end of combat, but why : : apply common sense when you can unbalance the game instead? : Because if you have played V:TM at all you should know that korrid : reality is just that an illusion and nothing more. So to allow people to : keep the weapons in Jyhad just does not fit with what the power is. I think his remark was sarcasm; as far as I know, LSJ's not a supporter of game-unbalancing. [I still think the card should have been reshuffled even if it was burned or stolen, though...] : Raymond : -- : dco...@winternet.com / http://www.winternet.com/~dcooper/index.html : Also check out the FRANTiK/POD Page at : : http://www.winternet.com/~smorse/fp-splash.html -- [ quoted text not captured ]

Nicole Janine Purvis (npu...@tiger.lsu.edu) wrote: : I think his remark was sarcasm; as far as I know, LSJ's not a supporter : of game-unbalancing. [I still think the card should have been reshuffled : even if it was burned or stolen, though...] The inferior version burns the weapon at the end of the combat: the superior version of Horrid Reality allow is to be shuffled back into the deck at the end of combat. Scott's comments were based on a mis-parsing of a Tom Wylie answer; someone asked a question and Tom (seemed to say) that the weapon was _not_ burned/reshuffled if it was not in the possession of the vampire who played the HR at the end of combat, when in fact the weapon is burned/shuffled no matter what its status at the end of combat. FWIW, I read the reply Tom gave and came to the same conclusion about what Tom had said as did Scott... Shane H.W. Travis | Galbraith's Law of Human Nature: Faced with the tra...@duke.usask.ca | choice between changing one's mind and proving Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | that there is no need to do so, almost everybody | gets busy on the proof.