We have already found out that you can "beat" the "do not replace this
card" disadvantage of the Gehenna cards by having in play a visit from
the Capuchin when you play such a card. But can you play e.g. a
Dragonbound then in a given combat play aura reading supperior to
return after combat to 7 hand size ?
i would say no, because the do not replace counts against your
handsize.
So, when you play aura reading supperior you go to handsize 9 and
after combat you discard down to your maximum handsize which is 6 as
modified by Dragonbound, right ?
I am quite certain that you can't overcome the do not replace with
aura reading, but a friend of mine who doesn't use internet is
insisting to ask.
"Jyhad_addict" <geo...@for.auth.gr> wrote in message
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> We have already found out that you can "beat" the "do not replace this
> card" disadvantage of the Gehenna cards by having in play a visit from
> the Capuchin when you play such a card. But can you play e.g. a
> Dragonbound then in a given combat play aura reading supperior to
> return after combat to 7 hand size ?
> i would say no, because the do not replace counts against your
> handsize.
You are correct.
> So, when you play aura reading supperior you go to handsize 9 and
> after combat you discard down to your maximum handsize which is 6 as
> modified by Dragonbound, right ?
Aura Reading superior gives +2 hand size.
So: 7 -1 for DNR Dragonbound +2 for Aura Reading = 8.
When combat ends, it's just 7 -1 for DNR Dragonbound = 6.
> I am quite certain that you can't overcome the do not replace with
> aura reading, but a friend of mine who doesn't use internet is
> insisting to ask.
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LSJ wrote:
> Aura Reading superior gives +2 hand size.
> So: 7 -1 for DNR Dragonbound +2 for Aura Reading = 8.
> When combat ends, it's just 7 -1 for DNR Dragonbound = 6.
So why does Visit work? I'm mean, I'm not saying it shouldn't, I just don't
really understand why Vist circumvents the Event hand size.
Right. Hand size 7.
You play Dragonbound (-1). Hand size 6.
You play Visit (+4). Hand size 10.
You play 4 cards, burning 4 Visit counters. Visit is burned. Your hand size
is back to 6.
I'm confused.
Peter D Bakija
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Peter D Bakija wrote:
> LSJ wrote:
>
> > Aura Reading superior gives +2 hand size.
> > So: 7 -1 for DNR Dragonbound +2 for Aura Reading = 8.
> > When combat ends, it's just 7 -1 for DNR Dragonbound = 6.
>
> So why does Visit work? I'm mean, I'm not saying it shouldn't, I just don't
> really understand why Vist circumvents the Event hand size.
>
> Right. Hand size 7.
> You play Dragonbound (-1). Hand size 6.
> You play Visit (+4). Hand size 10.
> You play 4 cards, burning 4 Visit counters. Visit is burned. Your hand size
> is back to 6.
No, you play Visit first. It's like this:
Hand size 7.
Play Visit. Hand size 11.
Play Computer Hacking (for example). Hand size 10.
Play Dragonbound. Hand size 9.
Neither the Hack nor the Dragonbound are ever replaced. This effect
overrides any other "do not replace" effect.
Matt Morgan
Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
> No, you play Visit first. It's like this:
>
> Hand size 7.
> Play Visit. Hand size 11.
> Play Computer Hacking (for example). Hand size 10.
> Play Dragonbound. Hand size 9.
>
> Neither the Hack nor the Dragonbound are ever replaced. This effect
> overrides any other "do not replace" effect.
Oooh. That makes much more sense. So Visit gets out around the "don't
replace" action if you have Visit in play and *then* you put Dragonbound
into play. Not the other way around. That seems reasonable.
Check.
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Peter D Bakija wrote:
> Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
>
> > No, you play Visit first. It's like this:
> >
> > Hand size 7.
> > Play Visit. Hand size 11.
> > Play Computer Hacking (for example). Hand size 10.
> > Play Dragonbound. Hand size 9.
> >
> > Neither the Hack nor the Dragonbound are ever replaced. This effect
> > overrides any other "do not replace" effect.
>
> Oooh. That makes much more sense. So Visit gets out around the "don't
> replace" action if you have Visit in play and *then* you put Dragonbound
> into play. Not the other way around. That seems reasonable.
Right. My Count Germaine/Assault Rifle deck has two Visits and two
Dragonbound. The combo happens fairly regularly, but I do wonder if I
wouldn't be better off making the Visits into Dreams and just living with
a hand size of six (eight while Dreaming). There's nothing worse
than playing Visit and drawing four cards I don't need. Now I need to
somehow play or ditch five cards in order to draw some more. Lame.
I've also dropped Dragonbound to force an oust a couple of times even
though I was Visit-less. It's totally worth it. Hand size of six isn't
that crippling in an Assault Rifle deck. Either somebody has a trump or I
own the table.
Matt Morgan
"Peter D Bakija" <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote in message
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> Oooh. That makes much more sense. So Visit gets out around the
> "don't replace" action if you have Visit in play and *then* you
> put Dragonbound into play. Not the other way around. That seems
> reasonable.
...and a lot harder to abuse, I might add. (As opposed to, "I
played Dragonbound 6 turns ago, now the VftC suddenly alleviates
my hand-size problem.")
Fred
Peter D Bakija <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote in message news:<BD523197.190E0%pd...@lightlink.com>...
> LSJ wrote:
>
> > Aura Reading superior gives +2 hand size.
> > So: 7 -1 for DNR Dragonbound +2 for Aura Reading = 8.
> > When combat ends, it's just 7 -1 for DNR Dragonbound = 6.
>
> So why does Visit work? I'm mean, I'm not saying it shouldn't, I just don't
> really understand why Vist circumvents the Event hand size.
>
> Right. Hand size 7.
> You play Dragonbound (-1). Hand size 6.
> You play Visit (+4). Hand size 10.
> You play 4 cards, burning 4 Visit counters. Visit is burned. Your hand size
> is back to 6.
>
> I'm confused.
>
Suppose you have a hand size of 7, you play Visit, you place 4
counters on it and you have +4 hand size, so you have a hand size of
11. You play a govern the unaligned, you don't replace it and you now
have 10 hand size, you play a dragonbound, you do not replace it as
both the visit and dragonbound say and you now have 9 hand size, after
playing the next 2 cards, your hand size is 7, the visit is burned and
you have a hand size of 7.
> Right. My Count Germaine/Assault Rifle deck has two Visits and two
> Dragonbound. The combo happens fairly regularly, but I do wonder if I
> wouldn't be better off making the Visits into Dreams and just living with
> a hand size of six (eight while Dreaming). There's nothing worse
> than playing Visit and drawing four cards I don't need. Now I need to
> somehow play or ditch five cards in order to draw some more. Lame.
>
Wouldn't it be better to play Elder Library? So you would play once it
reaches your hand, instead of holding the dragonbound/visit (reducing
effectively your HS by 1, while you wait for the right moment for the other
card to arrive). Even worst: The turn you play the visit you are unable to
play too many cards (3), because you need to reach your influence phase with
a counter on the visit at least. And the Elder Library will help you anyway
until you field the dragonbound.
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Smiling Tom wrote:
> > Right. My Count Germaine/Assault Rifle deck has two Visits and two
> > Dragonbound. The combo happens fairly regularly, but I do wonder if I
> > wouldn't be better off making the Visits into Dreams and just living with
> > a hand size of six (eight while Dreaming). There's nothing worse
> > than playing Visit and drawing four cards I don't need. Now I need to
> > somehow play or ditch five cards in order to draw some more. Lame.
> >
> Wouldn't it be better to play Elder Library? So you would play once it
> reaches your hand, instead of holding the dragonbound/visit (reducing
> effectively your HS by 1, while you wait for the right moment for the other
> card to arrive). Even worst: The turn you play the visit you are unable to
> play too many cards (3), because you need to reach your influence phase with
> a counter on the visit at least. And the Elder Library will help you anyway
> until you field the dragonbound.
Yeah, that's certainly a solution. So is just playing with 6 cards in
hand. I think Dreams might also work out okay. The worst part of Visit
is having a turn in which I only want to play three cards, as you noted.
I just wanted to try out the new tech. Maybe next time I play the deck
I'll call my Visits proxies for Dreams or Elder Library.
Matt Morgan
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<2p3p79F...@uni-berlin.de>...
So, i guess the only thing that beats the do not replace is visit
from the Capuchin.
Dreams of the Sphinx don't beat it, either right ?
Have to jump in here with a new twist.
If I have Gehhenna cards in play and I give them to another player via
Succubus club, does my hand size return to normal?
Does the new owner of the Gehhenna cards have their hand size reduced?
Is this a means to avoid the hand size reduction along the lines if the
Vists?
Raille
Raille wrote:
> Have to jump in here with a new twist.
>
> If I have Gehhenna cards in play and I give them to another player via
> Succubus club, does my hand size return to normal?
No.
> Does the new owner of the Gehhenna cards have their hand size reduced?
No.
> Is this a means to avoid the hand size reduction along the lines if the
> Vists?
No.
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:40:34 GMT, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
scrawled:
>Raille wrote:>> Have to jump in here with a new twist.
>>
>> If I have Gehhenna cards in play and I give them to another player via
>> Succubus club, does my hand size return to normal?>
>No.
>>> Does the new owner of the Gehhenna cards have their hand size reduced?>
>No.
>>> Is this a means to avoid the hand size reduction along the lines if the
>> Vists?>
>No.
if the player who i gave the gehenna cards to is ousted before the end
clause (if any) of the DNR text is fulfilled, does my hand size return
to normal?
if no, does the end clause remain an effect that can be fulfilled even
with the gehenna card itself gone, to enable me to replace if it is
met?
salem
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"salem" <salem_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> if the player who i gave the gehenna cards to is ousted before the end
> clause (if any) of the DNR text is fulfilled, does my hand size return
> to normal?
No.
> if no, does the end clause remain an effect that can be fulfilled even
> with the gehenna card itself gone, to enable me to replace if it is
> met?
Yes.
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"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote
> > if no, does the end clause remain an effect that can be fulfilled even
> > with the gehenna card itself gone, to enable me to replace if it is
> > met?
>
> Yes.
Gee LSJ.
With rulings like that you make Gehenna sound like
The End of The World (at least for the meth and his empire...)
...carl
The world is ending and all is darkness