James Coupe <ve...@obeah.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> "The following are "clearly" vampire-only: effects that burn or gain
> blood, effects that grant or remove disciplines (or clan or sect status,
> for that matter, not that there are any such retainers currently),
> effects that alter capacity, and/or effects that grant or remove titles
> or votes (again, not that the current set includes any of these).
> Everything else (including bleed, intercept, stealth, and combat
> modifiers) are applicable to allies as well as vampires."
>
> I'd like to question the "granting votes" section. It has been ruled
> before that allies are only "prohibited" from voting because there are
> none with votes, and that if I allocated the votes to a minion from
> Alamut to an ally that it would count, and the ally could vote.
>
> Assuming that this is the case, why should this ruling prohibit allies
> from having vote granting retainers?
Because voting is clearly "vampire-only" territory.
Just like having disciplines is "vampire-only" although a few allies
break that rule and use discplines. (And Alamut breaks the "vampire-only"
rule and can give votes to an ally.)
To wit:
But there could be an ally that broke the rules, and had the ability to
contribute votes.
-- [TOM 30-JAN-1996]
Later in that thread he went on to say that voting was normally reserved
for vampires.
All of this was in a thread about Kindred Coercion - from Dark Sovereigns.
The thread occurred before Alamut was printed.
Alamut (like several cards in the expansions) swapped "minion" for "vampire",
like Kindred Coercion did.
Tom had said (in the Kindred Coercion thread) that if cards were printed
that produced an ally with votes, the ally's effective age (when using
an effect that was normally reserved for vampires) would be given.
(which would parallel the case for allies-with-discplines). Unfortunately,
that was not the case with Ancient Hearts (AH also violated Tom's
pre-AH assertion that cards that could prevent damage outside of combat
would have that exception listed on the card.)
But, just because no errata has been issued correcting the "exception"
provided by Alamut (or Blood Tears, for that matter), that doesn't
change the fact that, in general, voting is "vampire-only".
URL for article from Tom:
http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=138050018
--
L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast.
Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules:
http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html
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