LSJ dumb Derange Succubus question

If i have a Succuvus club in play and I've played a Derange on a vampire can I then. Make a deal in which Minion A(the minion with the Derange on it) loose the Derange and Minion B (Being a Malkavian or a !Malkavian) receive on or does this still constitute as put on thus being played on. Thanx Emile "We are an ape with a symbiotic relationship with a Mushroom"

ebo...@hotmail.com (Emile Bosman) wrote in message news:<cbf416fb.02102...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Also, is there anything stopping you from, say, Malk Time Auctioning a stolen vampire (Using the Derange/Malkavian Dementia combo) - assuming you can get a second master phase? Presumably, unless the original controller of the auctioned vampire wins the bid, that vamp NEVER goes back to him (even when the Malk Dementia would've ended)... Is this right? 'Cos it's kinda confusing now I've written it down... Marty

Emile Bosman wrote: > > If i have a Succuvus club in play and I've played a Derange on a > vampire can I then. > > Make a deal in which Minion A(the minion with the Derange on it) loose > the Derange and Minion B (Being a Malkavian or a !Malkavian) receive > on or does this still constitute as put on thus being played on. You cannot make a trade whereby "Minion A" loses the Derange at all. You can trade control of the Derange, but changing control of that card won't cause it to move from its perch on Minion A. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Marty wrote: > Also, is there anything stopping you from, say, Malk Time Auctioning a > stolen vampire (Using the Derange/Malkavian Dementia combo) - assuming > you can get a second master phase [action]? No. > Presumably, unless the original > controller of the auctioned vampire wins the bid, that vamp NEVER goes > back to him (even when the Malk Dementia would've ended)... Is this > right? Yes. Changing permanent control of a card erases any lingering temporary control effects. > 'Cos it's kinda confusing now I've written it down... > > Marty [ quoted text not captured ]

ebo...@hotmail.com (Emile Bosman) wrote in message news:<cbf416fb.02102...@posting.google.com>... > If i have a Succuvus club in play and I've played a Derange on a > vampire can I then. > > Make a deal in which Minion A(the minion with the Derange on it) loose > the Derange and Minion B (Being a Malkavian or a !Malkavian) receive > on or does this still constitute as put on thus being played on. I'd think that Minion A is the controller of the Derange, and you don't really have anything to say about where it goes. (not to mention the card text on Derange prevents it from ever being placed on a malk/!malk) -Snapcase wallowing further in boredom...