action modifier cards and combat?

If an action is not completed until the combat resulting from a block ends, can you play action modifer cards in combat? If not, how come one could play 1k faces after entering combat? What about telepathic vote counting, can I play that during the combat? T

On Sat, 04 Aug 2001 03:13:16 GMT, Talo...@hotmail.com wrote: >If an action is not completed until the combat resulting from a block >ends, can you play action modifer cards in combat? > Though that's another interesting contradiction in the rules, the actual rule *I guess* would be that you can only play action modifiers until combat begins, UNLESS card text...like form of mist specifically says different. This is different than 'when blocked'. This means no AM during combat or afterwards, in the normal sequence of events. I am not an authority and cannot say this is fact.

In message <3b6b6783.458823070@news>, Talo...@hotmail.com writes >If an action is not completed until the combat resulting from a block >ends, can you play action modifer cards in combat? Potentially, yes, by card text etc. Off the top of my head, apart from Form of Mist (which is also a combat card), I can't think of any. >If not, how come one could play 1k faces after entering combat? Mask cannot be played during the resolution of an action (like during the referendum of a political action or during combat). [LSJ 19980825] (With the block combat counting as part of the resolution of a failed action.) >What about telepathic vote counting, can I play that during the >combat? Telepathic Vote Counting [Jyhad, V:TES, SW] Only usable during a referendum. (Crikey, I didn't realise it was in SW.) -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1F HEY, MOM! I FOUND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET B457CA213D7E6 YOU WERE TELLING ME TO NOT TALK TO! 68C3695D623D5D

>>What about telepathic vote counting, can I play that during the >>combat? > >Telepathic Vote Counting [Jyhad, V:TES, SW] >Only usable during a referendum. > >(Crikey, I didn't realise it was in SW.) > It was one of the fixed rares in the !Ventrue starter... Halcyan 2

<Talo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3b6b6783.458823070@news... > If an action is not completed until the combat resulting from a block > ends, can you play action modifer cards in combat? No. (Except superior Form of Mist) > If not, how come one could play 1k faces after entering combat? You cannot. You can play Mask1K after the block is succsseful and before entering combat (same timing as Change of Target). > What about telepathic vote counting, can I play that during the > combat? No. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

[ quoted text not captured ] It was one of the cards that was screwed in a reprint you mean, and hardly anybody knows if you dont' have the !Ventrue starter..... It used to be that you could play the TVC if you were blocked, to cancel and return the vote to your hand, BEFORE the referendum. Now, you can't. I do not care for that change at all. It was not necesary. T

In message <3b6f54bc.126193622@news>, Talo...@hotmail.com writes >It used to be that you could play the TVC if you were blocked, to >cancel and return the vote to your hand, BEFORE the referendum. I don't recall that being a valid interpretation.... <URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7c5qjs%24i0q%241%40nnrp1.dejan ews.com> "> [I think this action modifier only cancels unblocked > political actions, during the referendum step] Correct." [LSJ 19990310] <URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=350803AE.167E%40wizards.com> "An effect that cancels a vote (Telepathic Vote Counting, Gangrel Conspiracy, etc.) may be played at any time during the voting process - before, during, or after votes have been cast. [LSJ 980130]" http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=33B80565.794B%40regency.wizards.com "> - Telepathic Vote Counting can cancel a political action. At what > time can this happen? Can I play it in response to a blocking attempt? No. "During a political action" means during the resolution (the voting process) of that action." [LSJ 19970630] [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 04:09:09 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >In message <3b6f54bc.126193622@news>, Talo...@hotmail.com writes >>It used to be that you could play the TVC if you were blocked, to >>cancel and return the vote to your hand, BEFORE the referendum. > >I don't recall that being a valid interpretation.... It was. The original TVC is 'cancel a political action'. This whole redefinition of what 'during a political action' is an unnecesary revision that changes the card. The 95 rulebook did not do this. Only the recent SW rulebook actually printed this. And even then the original TVC card should take precedence as per 1.4 But alas, the card has now been officiall neutered as the reprint has come out in a starter that most people wont have or know about, if they are a longtime collector. This is especially annoying when you find such little discrepancies the night before a tournament. T

In message <3b718173.137643132@news>, Talo...@hotmail.com writes >>In message <3b6f54bc.126193622@news>, Talo...@hotmail.com writes >>>It used to be that you could play the TVC if you were blocked, to >>>cancel and return the vote to your hand, BEFORE the referendum. >> >>I don't recall that being a valid interpretation.... > >It was. Please provide a citation. > The original TVC is 'cancel a political action'. This whole >redefinition of what 'during a political action' is an unnecesary >revision that changes the card. > >The 95 rulebook did not do this. Only the recent SW rulebook actually >printed this. Well, I've just provided you with rulings going back to 1997 regarding TVC. This was most certainly not something that happened to be accidentally thrown on people in Sabbat War, which came out several years later. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:27:04 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > >> The original TVC is 'cancel a political action'. This whole >>redefinition of what 'during a political action' is an unnecesary >>revision that changes the card. >> >>The 95 rulebook did not do this. Only the recent SW rulebook actually >>printed this. > >Well, I've just provided you with rulings going back to 1997 regarding >TVC. This was most certainly not something that happened to be >accidentally thrown on people in Sabbat War, which came out several >years later. > Not accidentally, but by design, yes. For the many many players that do not have the time to hunt down every obscure ruling on the net, and thus unavailble for the average player, the change is rather easily missed when you are still playing with a card that is supposedly still legal. It gets frustrating when one tried to be uptodate now. T

In message <3b7136ef.184109873@news>, Talo...@hotmail.com writes >>Well, I've just provided you with rulings going back to 1997 regarding >>TVC. This was most certainly not something that happened to be >>accidentally thrown on people in Sabbat War, which came out several >>years later. >> > >Not accidentally, but by design, yes. It was not "designed" in Sabbat War either. It was already the case for several years. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:54:17 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >In message <3b7136ef.184109873@news>, Talo...@hotmail.com writes >>>Well, I've just provided you with rulings going back to 1997 regarding >>>TVC. This was most certainly not something that happened to be >>>accidentally thrown on people in Sabbat War, which came out several >>>years later. >>> >> >>Not accidentally, but by design, yes. > >It was not "designed" in Sabbat War either. It was already the case for >several years. > You misunderstood me. I was saying that it was 'thrown on people' by design in SW, and by people I refer to the majority of people that cannot or do not follow every obscure ruling that can only be found online with considerable effort if you intend to find every single ruling. T