[LSJ] Question About Targeting certain cards

I have a question about whether actions such as that allowed by the Rack actually target the Rack. Here is a situation in which this question can be posed: Situation: I control a vampire. Someone else controls the Rack. Someone else also has a vampire with a Haven Uncovered on them. Question: Does the action to take the Rack target the Rack? The Rack gives my vampire a possible action based on a card in play, but it does not say that I must target the Rack to do so. I do not have to select or choose the Rack except to state what allows the action. Example: "(tapping my vampire) My vampire chooses to take the action allowed by the Rack". This would seem to be similar to taking the action allowed by a Haven Uncovered. One would not say that the action allowed by Haven Uncovered targets the Haven Uncovered, right? (In fact, it targets the minion the haven is on, right?) What is the difference between these two cases? Compare with: Situation: I control a vampire with superior Necromancy. Someone else controls the Rack. In this case, if I wanted to burn the Rack with a Haunt, I know that it targets the Rack, since card text on Haunt requires that I choose or select a location. ----- Here is some possibly relevant text: Rulebook (1.6.1-5) Targets. If a card is played on another card, or selects or chooses or otherwise targets another card, the target card must be in play (i.e., controlled). Vampires in the torpor region are eligible targets by default, but vampires in the uncontrolled region and contested cards are not. ------ The Rack [Jyhad:U, VTES:U, CE:U] Cardtype: Master Master: unique location. When this card is brought into play or the controller of this card changes, the controller chooses a ready vampire he or she controls. During the controller's untap phase, the chosen vampire gains 2 blood from the blood bank. A vampire controlled by another Methuselah can steal this location for his or her controller as a (D) action. ------ Haunt [FN:C2/PG] Cardtype: Action Cost: 1 blood Discipline: Necromancy +1 stealth <action>. [nec] Put this card on a location you control. The controller of this location can burn this card to cause an action directed at this location to fail. A location can have only one Haunt. [NEC] (D) Burn a location that doesn't require Giovanni to play. Thanks Matt

Matt Flint wrote: > I have a question about whether actions such as that allowed by the > Rack actually target the Rack. Here is a situation in which this > question can be posed: Yes. > Situation: I control a vampire. Someone else controls the Rack. > Someone else also has a vampire with a Haven Uncovered on them. > > Question: Does the action to take the Rack target the Rack? The Rack Yes. > gives my vampire a possible action based on a card in play, but it > does not say that I must target the Rack to do so. I do not have to The action that steals the Rack can only be used to steal the Rack. You cannot use that action to target something other than the Rack. > select or choose the Rack except to state what allows the action. ? > Example: "(tapping my vampire) My vampire chooses to take the action > allowed by the Rack". This would seem to be similar to taking the "May vampire attempts to steal the Rack" (since the Rack offers no other action). > action allowed by a Haven Uncovered. One would not say that the action > allowed by Haven Uncovered targets the Haven Uncovered, right? (In > fact, it targets the minion the haven is on, right?) What is the > difference between these two cases? "My vampire attempts to enter combat with the vampire" is the action allowed by the Haven Uncovered. > Compare with: > Situation: I control a vampire with superior Necromancy. Someone else > controls the Rack. > > In this case, if I wanted to burn the Rack with a Haunt, I know that > it targets the Rack, since card text on Haunt requires that I choose > or select a location. And the action allowed by the Rack itself requires that you target the Rack - it doesn't allow for any other target. > ----- > Here is some possibly relevant text: > > The Rack [Jyhad:U, VTES:U, CE:U] > steal *this location* for his or her controller as a (D) action. Emphasis added. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/