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Greets, I have a few more questions: 1.) If I have a titled vampire call a political action via a political card, the act of calling the action taps the vampire. Does this mean that I only get the 1 vote awarded by the political card, and that I can't use the acting vampire's title for votes (since they are technically tapped)? 2.) Pentex Subversion allows any minion to remove it as a directed action. If a Methuselah's minion tries to remove Pentex Subversion from one of their own minions, is it at +1 stealth? The card does not imply this, so I am assuming that is is done at default 0 stealth. 3.) When a Meth causes a Sabbat Threat counter to be placed on an opponent, can that opponent use the Edge at any time to remove the counters, particularly if another Meth is in the process of bleeding an opponent? Or does this have to be done on your turn? 4.) Can a dodge be used against a first strike, and does it dodge the effects of the first strike? Is there such a thing as a first strike dodge? I doubt it, which is why I'm asking this particular question. 5.) Blood Hunts can be called after a vampire successfully diablerizes another vamp. The blood hunt is not considered an action, so vampires can't play action modifiers, nor can the play reactions (e.g. WWEF). Essentially, it goes to vote and the only votes used for determining the success of the blood hunt are untapped, ready vampires with titles, and up to 1 political card which can be used as a vote, as well as a sacrifice of the edge. Can Ventrue HQ be used to gather more votes in a blood hunt? Can WWEF be used after a diablerie to ready vampires with titles for the impending blood hunt? 6.) In a 4 player game, can player 2 ever block actions taken by player 4? I am assuming political actions are non-directed, even if the effects are targeted at a specific player.

Jason Mowat wrote: > Greets, > > I have a few more questions: > > 1.) If I have a titled vampire call a political action via a political > card, the act of calling the action taps the vampire. Does this mean that I > only get the 1 vote awarded by the political card, and that I can't use the > acting vampire's title for votes (since they are technically tapped)? Vampires don't need to be untapped to get treir votes during referendums. A Prince gets his 2 votes taped and untapped, but he needs to be ready. A Vampire in torpor has no vote. > 2.) Pentex Subversion allows any minion to remove it as a directed action. > If a Methuselah's minion tries to remove Pentex Subversion from one of their > own minions, is it at +1 stealth? The card does not imply this, so I am > assuming that is is done at default 0 stealth. Correct. > 3.) When a Meth causes a Sabbat Threat counter to be placed on an opponent, > can that opponent use the Edge at any time to remove the counters, > particularly if another Meth is in the process of bleeding an opponent? Or > does this have to be done on your turn? I think you can burn the edge whenever you want. > 4.) Can a dodge be used against a first strike, and does it dodge the > effects of the first strike? Is there such a thing as a first strike dodge? > I doubt it, which is why I'm asking this particular question. Yes, Dodge cancel the effect done to the vampire by the opponent's strike, even if it is a first strike. So there is no dodge in first strike. > 5.) Blood Hunts can be called after a vampire successfully diablerizes > another vamp. The blood hunt is not considered an action, so vampires can't > play action modifiers, nor can the play reactions (e.g. WWEF). Essentially, > it goes to vote and the only votes used for determining the success of the > blood hunt are untapped, ready vampires with titles, and up to 1 political > card which can be used as a vote, as well as a sacrifice of the edge. Can > Ventrue HQ be used to gather more votes in a blood hunt? I think yes > Can WWEF be used > after a diablerie to ready vampires with titles for the impending blood > hunt? no (see above) > 6.) In a 4 player game, can player 2 ever block actions taken by player 4? > I am assuming political actions are non-directed, even if the effects are > targeted at a specific player. non directed actions can only be bloked by the prey or the predator. So, the answer is no (unless eagle sight is played). Bye !

Arnaud Clavel wrote: > Jason Mowat wrote: > > 1.) If I have a titled vampire call a political action via a political > > card, the act of calling the action taps the vampire. Does this mean that I > > only get the 1 vote awarded by the political card, and that I can't use the > > acting vampire's title for votes (since they are technically tapped)? > > Vampires don't need to be untapped to get their votes during referendums. A > Prince gets his 2 votes tapped and untapped, but he needs to be ready. A Vampire > in torpor has no vote. Correct. [6.3.3.2] > > 2.) Pentex Subversion allows any minion to remove it as a directed action. > > If a Methuselah's minion tries to remove Pentex Subversion from one of their > > own minions, is it at +1 stealth? The card does not imply this, so I am > > assuming that is is done at default 0 stealth. > > Correct. Yes, but also note that the action is directed at the Methuselah who played the Pentex Subversion. If that Methuselah (for some reason) attempts to burn his own Pentex (on someone else's minion), then the action is undirected (but still at no stealth - being undirected is independent of having stealth). Master cards are controlled by the Methuselah that played them by default, so actions to burn them are directed at that Methuselah. > > 3.) When a Meth causes a Sabbat Threat counter to be placed on an opponent, > > can that opponent use the Edge at any time to remove the counters, > > particularly if another Meth is in the process of bleeding an opponent? Or > > does this have to be done on your turn? > > I think you can burn the edge whenever you want. Yes, it can be burned at any time. > > 4.) Can a dodge be used against a first strike, and does it dodge the > > effects of the first strike? Is there such a thing as a first strike dodge? > > I doubt it, which is why I'm asking this particular question. > > Yes, Dodge cancel the effect done to the vampire by the opponent's strike, even > if it is a first strike. Correct. [6.4.5] > > 5.) Blood Hunts can be called after a vampire successfully diablerizes > > another vamp. The blood hunt is not considered an action, so vampires can't > > play action modifiers, nor can the play reactions (e.g. WWEF). Essentially, > > it goes to vote and the only votes used for determining the success of the > > blood hunt are untapped, ready vampires with titles, and up to 1 political Vampires need not be untapped to cast votes, as above. > > card which can be used as a vote, as well as a sacrifice of the edge. Can > > Ventrue HQ be used to gather more votes in a blood hunt? > > I think yes. Yes, since it doesn't restrict its use to "during a political action". > > Can WWEF be used > > after a diablerie to ready vampires with titles for the impending blood > > hunt? > > no (see above) Right - reactions cannot be played, but waking isn't necessary to cast votes anyway, so... > > 6.) In a 4 player game, can player 2 ever block actions taken by player 4? > > I am assuming political actions are non-directed, even if the effects are > > targeted at a specific player. > > non directed actions can only be bloked by the prey or the predator. So, the > answer is no (unless eagle sight is played). Player 2 can block any action directed at her, even if the action is taken by one of player 4's minions. [6.2.2.1] All political actions are undirected. [6.2.2.1] Also, Anneke and Enzo Giovanni can ignore some of the standard "Who May Attempt to Block" rules as part of their special abilities. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> > > > 4.) Can a dodge be used against a first strike, and does it dodge the > > > effects of the first strike? Is there such a thing as a first strike dodge? > > > I doubt it, which is why I'm asking this particular question. > > > > Yes, Dodge cancel the effect done to the vampire by the opponent's strike, even > > if it is a first strike. > > Correct. [6.4.5] > Does this also mean that you can S:CE as well, against first strike and not get hit by that nasty Muddled Vampire Hunter with an Ivory Bow? oAFLORD aka Thomas Kuster V:EKN Prince of Caledon "Of Man's first disobedience, and the fruit Of that forbidden tree whose mortal taste Brought death into the world, and all our woe." John Milton Paradise Lost. Book i. Line 1.

Oaflord wrote: > > > Yes, Dodge cancel the effect done to the vampire by the opponent's > strike, even > > > if it is a first strike. > > > > Correct. [6.4.5] > > > Does this also mean that you can S:CE as well, against first strike and not > get hit by that nasty Muddled Vampire Hunter with an Ivory Bow? Um, yes. See the rulebook, section 6.4.5. [ quoted text not captured ]