[LSJ] Unsuccessful action / Neighborhood Watch Commander

LSJ or IANLSJ types, This seems like a simple question, but I've gotten several different interpretations. ---------------------- Neighborhood Watch Commander (Hunter): "When an action taken by a vampire ends unsuccessfully, you may tap this card at the end of that action to inflict 1 damage on the acting vampire." From the rules 6.0: "An action is successful only if it is not blocked." From 6.2.3. Resolve the Action: "If the action is successful (all block attempts were unsuccessful), then the cost of the action is paid and the effects of the successful action take place" ---------------------- If blocked, would NWC be usable before the resulting combat or is that combat still considered to be part of the action? (since Mirror Image et al could potentially continue it) Is there a window of opportunity before Mirror Image is played in which one could tap NWC to do damage? Thanks in advance, WES

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 04:04:12 -0400, "Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> scrawled: >LSJ or IANLSJ types, > >This seems like a simple question, but I've gotten several different >interpretations. > >---------------------- > >Neighborhood Watch Commander (Hunter): > >"When an action taken by a vampire ends unsuccessfully, you may tap this >card at the end of that action to inflict 1 damage on the acting vampire." [snip] >---------------------- > >If blocked, would NWC be usable before the resulting combat or is that >combat still considered to be part of the action? (since Mirror Image et al >could potentially continue it) > >Is there a window of opportunity before Mirror Image is played in which one >could tap NWC to do damage? > combats are always part of an action, and therefore you're not at the point where an action "ends", as required by NWC, just before nor during the combat. salem http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

Hi Wes, IANLSJ (as you know) but I would say you would have to wait until after the combat. The reason for this would be the precedent set by Bum's Rush, where you can't replace until after the action (card text), but you actually don't replace even if the action is unsuccessful (blocked) until after full resolution of block as well. As for the potential of things such a Mirror Image/Form of Mist/etc. I would have to say that would also be a reason for not tapping before the combat. Of course, if the blocker Obedienced, took control in some way to prevent combat, then you could play it. Just my way of looking at it. Cheers Andy VEKN Setite Ruler of Cambridge.

salem wrote: > On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 04:04:12 -0400, "Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> > scrawled: >>Neighborhood Watch Commander (Hunter): >>If blocked, would NWC be usable before the resulting combat or is that >>combat still considered to be part of the action? (since Mirror Image et al >>could potentially continue it) >> >>Is there a window of opportunity before Mirror Image is played in which one >>could tap NWC to do damage? >> > combats are always part of an action, and therefore you're not at the > point where an action "ends", as required by NWC, just before nor > during the combat. Correct. -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/