CthuluKitty wrote:
> On Aug 7, 1:06 pm, gre...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >From reading another post it seems clear that if an Osebo plays
>> Massassi's Honor (MH) while taking an action that requires a card
>> (e.g. Flurry of Action) and continues as if unblocked (using Form of
>> Mist for example) the selected Osebo still gets to perform the action.
>> What happens if the action is one that puts a card on the acting Osebo
>> (e.g. Enforcer, weapons) does the first Osebo get it and the MH burns
>> or does the MH get it and the first action fizzle?
>
> The first action would succeed, as per the normal rules of the game.
> Of that I'm fairly sure.
Well, perhaps. But it's not a clear cut case (it requires a ruling here, not
just a clarification). The issue is whether the action to put the action card in
play (equipment, Army of Rats, Seeds of Corruption, &c.) can only put the card
in play from limbo (the staging area for action cards between announcement and
resolution), or if it puts it in play from anywhere.
For Form of Mist (and other "continue as if unblocked" effects) to work, either
retrieving from the ash heap at action resolution must be ruled possible or the
"continue as if unblocked" effects must be ruled to move the card from the ash
heap back to limbo as an inherent part of the "as if unblocked" effect).
The first ruling would be a precedent-setter that could be used for allowing the
action to work from other places as well (e.g., retrieving the card from
Massassi's Honor upon the continuance's successful resolution). The latter
ruling not so much.
But.
There is already a ruling that says you can't move put-me-in-play action cards
by mere action continuance. That ruling came up for Swarm vs. Form of Mist.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/118fa71fcbe54a7f
So it seems the course here is already set (new ruling):
"continue as if unblocked" inherently moves the action card from the ash heap
(where it went when the action was blocked) to limbo (where it should be if the
action is not blocked).
If the action card is not in the ash heap, then the action cannot be continued
(as per the earlier Swarm ruling).
That would apply to cards removed from the game upon being blocked, as well
(like Reinforcements).
> I *think* that the second action (granted by
> MH) would fizzle upon resolution since the card it's looking for is
> already in play on another vampire.
Well, with the ruling above, the continuance is thwarted, so the card remains on
Massassi's Honor, and the second action is performed as usual.
> I'm unclear however on what might
> happen if you could someone burn that card before taking your next
> action. For example, you might have equipped with Blood Tears and
> immediately burned it for 2 blood, or you could have played Enforcer
> and then accidentally burned yourself with Daring the Dawn. In those
> cases, it seems like the MH action should go off normally, but I'm
> just not sure. Luckily, none of this should ever matter.
If some effect has removed the action card from Massassi's Honor before the
chosen Osebo could begin that second action, then that chosen Osebo would be
unable to attempt the action (lacking the card required to being the action), so
Massassi's Honor would simply be burned by its own card text with no additional
action at all (rather than a fizzled one).
> One other question for LSJ though: do cards played by the acting Osebo
> after MH go to it? It seems that they should, since otherwise the card
> doesn't do much of anything, but I'm finding the text somewhat unclear.
No. It only collects the cards played during the action prior to the MH. It
doesn't collect itself, nor any cards the acting minion plays after MH.