JOL 2008 Tournament results

Hello All, The JOL 2008 Tournament is now officially complete. Fittingly, Jeff Kuta won the final with 3 VPs and GW using his Assamite Fatties with Dominate vote/bleed/multiact deck. It was a good game, and I was the first one to be ousted. ;) Poll results: IMPROVEMENT? Polled players on average thought that the Kuta Transfer rules would be a very slight improvement over current rules. (3.2 average, where "3" means neither good nor bad.) IMPACT? Polled players on average thought that the Kuta Transfer rules had a "small to medium" impact on the game. FUN? Polled players on average thought that the Kuta Transfer rules were just slightly more fun than normal rules. (3.4 average, where "3" means neither more nor less fun.) LENGTH of TOURNAMENT? Polled players overwhelmingly thought that the tournament was the right length. For reference, it was 4 months with no extensions, and 23 of 30 games finished. There were two primary complaints with the tournament: 1) Players disappearing, or not checking games frequently enough. 2) Kuta transfer rules aren't the real rules, and it's hard to keep them all straight. For next year, if I were to run this tournament again, I would not use Kuta Transfer rules. Even though I believe that they are better than the current rules, there is a significant hassle in adding house rules to the game and getting everyone to remember them. I continue to believe that this would be a good change to the rules for LSJ to consider and implement. Regarding slow/absent players, I would keep the tournament at 4 months no extensions, but be quicker to react to player complaints about slow play. Thanks to everyone who participated! Ira KUTA TRANSFER RULES 5 transfers. Costs 1 transfer to bring a minion from uncontrolled to ready. Costs 5 transfers plus 1 pool to decrypt. Note: On the first turn of the game, player 1 gets only 1 transfer, player 2 gets 2, etc, up to 5 transfers for player 5. These transfer rules address three main complaints with the game: 1) 1-caps are overpowered, as are weenies in general. 2) Big caps take too long to get into play. 3) Going 5th is almost always worse than going 4th. There are some drawbacks of this change: 1) It's easier to transfer out, because you can keep building up as much pool as you want on a minion in uncontrolled. FINAL RESULTS 1: Jeff, 2 GW, 8 VP, 144 TP, 3 VPs and GW in final 2: JonD, 1 GW, 6.5 VP, 138 TP, 1 VP in final 2: Jazzbeaux, 1 GW, 6 VP, 126 TP, 1 VP in final 2: ira, 3 GW, 10 VP, 180 TP, 0 VPs in final 2: herve, 2 GW, 7 VP, 144 TP, 0 VPs in final 6: Dave Stevers, 1 GW, 5.5 VP, 144 TP 6: jph, 1 GW, 5.5 VP, 144 TP 8: mikkamakka, 1 GW, 4.5 VP, 144 TP 9: svartsinn, 1 GW, 4.5 VP, 132 TP 10: Jay, 1 GW, 4.5 VP, 120 TP (won the coin flip for 10th) 10: MattAvery, 1 GW, 4.5 VP, 120 TP 12: Neil, 1 GW, 4 VP, 132 TP 13: bakija, 1 GW, 4 VP, 120 TP 14: Jared Strait, 1 GW, 4 VP, 108 TP 14: Karl Schaefer, 1 GW, 4 VP, 108 TP 16: Cooper, 1 GW, 4 VP, 102 TP 16: adam, 1 GW, 4 VP, 102 TP 18: crispy, 1 GW, 3.5 VP, 120 TP 19: Ghost, 1 GW, 3 VP, 108 TP 20: (st)rehlow, 0 GW, 3.5 VP, 132 TP 21: DanO, 0 GW, 3 VP, 120 TP 22: Raille, 0 GW, 2.5 VP, 132 TP 23: malcolmsprye, 0 GW, 2 VP, 120 TP 23: juansushi, 0 GW, 2 VP, 120 TP 23: Colin, 0 GW, 2 VP, 120 TP 26: trit, 0 GW, 2 VP, 102 TP 27: George, 0 GW, 2 VP, 96 TP 28: Marc Lussier, 0 GW, 1.5 VP, 108 TP 28: Belial, 0 GW, 1.5 VP, 108 TP 30: Robba Yogga, 0 GW, 1.5 VP, 102 TP 30: Jyhad, 0 GW, 1.5 VP, 102 TP 32: bur, 0 GW, 1.5 VP, 96 TP 33: jamesdburns, 0 GW, 1 VP, 102 TP 34: Falcon, 0 GW, 1 VP, 96 TP 34: Jason Scott, 0 GW, 1 VP, 96 TP 34: Merlin, 0 GW, 1 VP, 96 TP 37: quetzalcoatl, 0 GW, 1 VP, 84 TP 37: daemonturtle, 0 GW, 1 VP, 84 TP 37: shorb, 0 GW, 1 VP, 84 TP 40: Alexander, 0 GW, 0.5 VP, 90 TP 41: alf, 0 GW, 0.5 VP, 84 TP 41: gNat, 0 GW, 0.5 VP, 84 TP 41: Raymond Harnack, 0 GW, 0.5 VP, 84 TP 41: paolo, 0 GW, 0.5 VP, 84 TP 45: Dugrim, 0 GW, 0.5 VP, 78 TP 46: Sorrow, 0 GW, 0.5 VP, 72 TP 47: flarkit, 0 GW, 0 VP, 78 TP 47: Chris Couch, 0 GW, 0 VP, 78 TP 49: andrealm, 0 GW, 0 VP, 66 TP 49: Xzealot, 0 GW, 0 VP, 66 TP

ira...@gmail.com wrote: > KUTA TRANSFER RULES > 5 transfers. > Costs 1 transfer to bring a minion from uncontrolled to ready. > Costs 5 transfers plus 1 pool to decrypt. What the heck does "decrypt" mean? > FINAL RESULTS > 1: Jeff, 2 GW, 8 VP, 144 TP, 3 VPs and GW in final > 2: JonD, 1 GW, 6.5 VP, 138 TP, 1 VP in final > 2: Jazzbeaux, 1 GW, 6 VP, 126 TP, 1 VP in final > 2: ira, 3 GW, 10 VP, 180 TP, 0 VPs in final > 2: herve, 2 GW, 7 VP, 144 TP, 0 VPs in final Any chance of seeing the decklists for the finalists? Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! http://vtesville.myminicity.com/ Las Vegas NAQ 2009 http://members.cox.net/vtesinlv/

[ quoted text not captured ] I was very fortunate to out-talk Ira in the final table, or else he would have destroyed me with Enkidu Raptor rush. I also stalled in midgame, but got my steam back just in time. Here's the deck for the curious: Modified Multi-taskamites 2008 (originally based on Jeff Kristoff's version from...2005?) 3x Ur-Shulgi, The Shepherd 2x Thetmes, Caliph of Alamut 2x Yazid Tamari 2x Badr al-Budur 1x Mustafa Rahman 1x Ohanna 1x Royce 4x Grooming the Protege 4x Vessel 1x Alamut 1x The Black Throne 1x The Coven 1x Direct Intervention 1x Dominate 1x Dreams of the Sphinx 1x Giant's Blood 1x Golconda: Inner Peace 1x Information Highway 1x Sudden Reversal 1x Underworld Hunting Ground 1x Yoruba Shrine 10x Flurry of Action 2x Blithe Acceptance 2x Khabar: Glory 2x Govern the Unaligned 4x Kine Resources Contested 4x Reckless Agitation 1x Political Stranglehold 1x Reins of Power 2x Bonding 2x Cloak the Gathering 2x Deed the Heart's Desire 2x Elder Impersonation 2x Faceless Night 2x Foreshadowing Destruction 2x Hide the Mind 2x Lost in Crowds 2x Mask of a Thousand Faces 2x Spying Mission 2x Veil the Legions 4x Blood Awakening 4x Murmur of the False Will 4x Deflection 4x Obedience 4x On the Qui Vive 2x Swallowed by the Night The deck is solid, but could be better. Never used Blithe Acceptance or Hide the Mind, though I really like the latter. I found my vampires running lower on blood than I'd like. I'd probably take those four cards out in favor of 2x Perfectionist (multi-acting makes it more likely you'll benefit each turn) and 2x Elder Impersonation (block fails is just good). Jeff

Kevin M. wrote: > ira...@gmail.com wrote: >> KUTA TRANSFER RULES >> 5 transfers. >> Costs 1 transfer to bring a minion from uncontrolled to ready. >> Costs 5 transfers plus 1 pool to decrypt. > > What the heck does "decrypt" mean? Draw a card from your crypt to your uncontrolled region.

In article <6fb5ae06-5d41-455a...@t18g2000prt.googlegroups.com>, "ira...@gmail.com" <ira...@gmail.com> wrote: > Poll results: There was a poll? I've mentioned this before, and still I'm unsure--is there a JOL listserve or something? Somewhere that things like the results of the tournaments and polls are held? And conversations about the JOL tournaments and whatever take place? Thanks, Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html "It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?" -Gaff

On Nov 5, 4:22 pm, Jeff Kuta <jeff...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was very fortunate to out-talk Ira in the final table, or else he > would have destroyed me with Enkidu Raptor rush. That, and the fact that I was sitting as the prey of a kamikaze Giovanni power bleed. The combination of block fails, combat ends, and single-minded forward pressure got me killed. Jeff's backwards attacks were balanced by incredible cross-table Falcon's Eye + DI help from Jazz, but it wasn't enough to keep me alive after eating ~3 pool damage a turn starting on turn 4. Of course, my predator ended up getting 1 VP then promptly dying. I'm not sure if it would have been better for him to give me a little rope to go forward against Jeff, but I ended up taking 0 actions at Jeff the whole game. To Jeff's credit, he did a nice job delaying bringing up any targets, and had a nice crypt draw with 2 weenies + Ur-Shulgi. It was a well- fought game! Kevin, for your request to post a decklist, the deck I played is pretty much the same version I played in LA, except the crypt was legal. ;) Ira

[ quoted text not captured ] Might I humbly suggest a positively-associated word instead of a negatively-associated word to describe the "doing" of something? :) [ quoted text not captured ]

Peter D Bakija wrote: > In article > <6fb5ae06-5d41-455a...@t18g2000prt.googlegroups.com>, > "ira...@gmail.com" <ira...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Poll results: > > There was a poll? > > I've mentioned this before, and still I'm unsure--is there a JOL > listserve or something? Somewhere that things like the results of the > tournaments and polls are held? And conversations about the JOL > tournaments and whatever take place? > It's the league list. best - chris -- Super Fun Cards www.superfuncards.com *NEW Website!* auct...@superfuncards.com

On Nov 6, 6:45 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Peter D Bakija wrote: > > In article > > <6fb5ae06-5d41-455a-bdbe-ccb18e868...@t18g2000prt.googlegroups.com>, > > "ira...@gmail.com" <ira...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Poll results: > > > There was a poll? > > > I've mentioned this before, and still I'm unsure--is there a JOL > > listserve or something? Somewhere that things like the results of the > > tournaments and polls are held? And conversations about the JOL > > tournaments and whatever take place? > > It's the league list. > And that would be?

On Nov 6, 4:40 am, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Kevin M. wrote: > >> ira...@gmail.com wrote: > >>> KUTA TRANSFER RULES > >>> 5 transfers. > >>> Costs 1 transfer to bring a minion from uncontrolled to ready. > >>> Costs 5 transfers plus 1 pool to decrypt. > > >> What the heck does "decrypt" mean? > > > Draw a card from your crypt to your uncontrolled region. > > Might I humbly suggest a positively-associated word instead of a > negatively-associated word to describe the "doing" of something? :) Completely agree, although there is the example of decant, which is to empty one thing into another. But yeah, something which is less anti intuitive. I at first glance thought this meant move from uncontrolled to crypt for some reason...

On Nov 5, 7:40 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Kevin M. wrote: > >> ira...@gmail.com wrote: > >>> KUTA TRANSFER RULES > >>> 5 transfers. > >>> Costs 1 transfer to bring a minion from uncontrolled to ready. > >>> Costs 5 transfers plus 1 pool to decrypt. > > >> What the heck does "decrypt" mean? > > > Draw a card from your crypt to your uncontrolled region. > > Might I humbly suggest a positively-associated word instead of a > negatively-associated word to describe the "doing" of something? :) Sorry for the confusion. If and when Kuta Transfer rules are written into the official rules, I'm sure LSJ won't use shorthand. :) If you don't like "decrypt," it's probably best to just use "move from crypt to uncontrolled." Ira

In message <c07082cf-ac76-470c...@r15g2000prh.googlegroup [ quoted text not captured ] The mailing list that was set up to run the league. If you weren't part of the league, it's not likely to be relevant to you! -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

> > FINAL RESULTS > > 1: Jeff, 2 GW, 8 VP, 144 TP, 3 VPs and GW in final > > 2: JonD, 1 GW, 6.5 VP, 138 TP, 1 VP in final > > 2: Jazzbeaux, 1 GW, 6 VP, 126 TP, 1 VP in final For those that need to know Deck Name : Ahrimanes 2008 Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 8 average: 6.5 ------------------------------------------------------------ 4x Howler 8 ANI PRE SPI obf Ahrimane:2 3x Siamese, The 7 PRE SPI ani pro Ahrimane:2 2x Bear Paw 5 ANI for pre pro Gangrel:1 1x Cynthia Ingold 6 SPI ani for pre Ahrimane:2 1x Nettie Hale 5 ani cel pre pro spi Ahrimane:2 1x Juanita Santiago 4 ani pre spi Ahrimane:2 Library [90 cards] ------------------------------------------------------------ Action [13] 2x Army of Rats 4x Enchant Kindred 3x Engling Fury 2x Entrancement 2x Nose of the Hound Ally [1] 1x Ossian Combat [31] 10x Aid from Bats 2x Canine Horde 10x Carrion Crows 3x Majesty 6x Taste of Vitae Combat/Action Modifier [5] 5x Swiftness of the Stag Master [16] 2x Animalism 2x Direct Intervention 2x Dreams of the Sphinx 1x Erciyes Fragments, The 2x Fame 1x Giant's Blood 1x Powerbase: Montreal 2x Smiling Jack, The Anarch 3x Vessel Reaction [20] 4x Cats' Guidance 4x Falcon's Eye 4x On the Qui Vive 8x Speak with Spirits Retainer [5] 4x Raven Spy 1x Mr. Winthrop I was fortunate that Herves deck never really went forward, as his ANI FOR would have been a big problem. I hoped to get JonD before he ousted Ira as I wanted Iras vp for myself, which would have meant I could have weathered the votes from Jeff. Still it was a good game, now to win one of these finals... Sam

Kevin M. wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> Kevin M. wrote: >>> ira...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> KUTA TRANSFER RULES >>>> 5 transfers. >>>> Costs 1 transfer to bring a minion from uncontrolled to ready. >>>> Costs 5 transfers plus 1 pool to decrypt. >>> What the heck does "decrypt" mean? >> Draw a card from your crypt to your uncontrolled region. > > Might I humbly suggest a positively-associated word instead of a > negatively-associated word to describe the "doing" of something? :) See also deplane.

On Nov 6, 12:05 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Kevin M. wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Man, now you getting into "Disembarkation process" territory. And thats some mighty wobbly ground there, pardner....

On Nov 6, 10:00 am, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > In message <c07082cf-ac76-470c-9109-5a6b85c24...@r15g2000prh.googlegroup > s.com>, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> writes: > > >On Nov 6, 6:45 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > >> > I've mentioned this before, and still I'm unsure--is there a JOL > >> > listserve or something? Somewhere that things like the results of the > >> > tournaments and polls are held? And conversations about the JOL > >> > tournaments and whatever take place? > > >> It's the league list. > > >And that would be? > > The mailing list that was set up to run the league. If you weren't part > of the league, it's not likely to be relevant to you! > > -- > James Coupe > PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. > EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. > 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION. I think the list is maintained by George Finklang the chap who designed JOL with Wes requesting additions and removals. I'm not sure if he is active anymore however, it seems that Wes needs to manually CC new players in the league and requests for admins on European time havent seen any response. Having tried most of the different forms of online vtes I do think this is the best as it handles gaps in play and players dropping well. And that happening is inevitable in a 5 player game that takes 2 hrs to play IRL. Shame I couldnt get my life in order before this years tourny, I'll try and play in the next one - JOL is the only vtes I have had for over a year now - I'm very glad its there :O) Ant

Blooded Sand wrote: > On Nov 6, 12:05 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >>> LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >>>> Kevin M. wrote: >>>>> What the heck does "decrypt" mean? >>>> Draw a card from your crypt to your uncontrolled region. >> See also deplane. > > Man, now you getting into "Disembarkation process" territory. And > thats some mighty wobbly ground there, pardner.... No smilie, so I assume you're serious. Deplane -- a thing in the plane (passenger) leaves the plane. Decrypt -- a thing in the crypt (card) leaves the crypt. Not wobbly at all. See also detrain derail dethrone demount deorbit decamp If you want wobbly, see decant (actually, that's pretty solid, too) or devest.

On Nov 6, 12:45 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > It's the league list. What is the League List? How does one sign up for it? Why would one sign up for it if one were not involved in a League? I've looked for pointers to said League list. And can't find any. It isn't mentioned on the JOL page. The only mention of it I can find anywhere is buried in the League page where it says "make sure you send us the right e-mail for the league lst.", although it doesn't actually say anywhere "Sign up for the league list if you want information about tournaments and JOL in general!", which seems to be the case. -Peter

On Nov 6, 5:00 am, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > The mailing list that was set up to run the league. If you weren't part > of the league, it's not likely to be relevant to you! And yet even though I'm not on the league, and not on the league list, all sorts of information about JOL in general seems to be going out on it, such as the standings of the JOL tournament (which I was playing in, yet not part of the league, and as such, not on the league list) and the poll about the tournament (which would have been nice to have been involved in, but again, as I'm not part of a league, I'm not on the league list). I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but really, it is kind of frustrating to be involved in JOL, and then keep discovering that there is information floating around that is being sent to people involved on JOL, yet I'm not seeing it, as I'm not on the League List, as there doesn't seem to be a way to join the League List without joining the League, and up till now, had no idea that I should even be on the League List (which makes sense, as I'm not in the League). -Peter

[ quoted text not captured ] The best way to join the league list is to eamil Wes Weston, he will cc you on all of his league correspondance and request that George adds you to the actual list. Unfortunatly I dont think the list itself has been updated for some time as George seems to not have time for JOL stuff at the moment for whatever reasons, so anyone else using the league list (say Ira for his poll) unless they crib the cc'ing bit from Wes' league emails will miss newcomers. Bah - its all a bit silly yes :) Anthony

On Nov 6, 8:34 am, Anthony.T.D.Cole...@gmail.com wrote: > The best way to join the league list is to eamil Wes Weston, he will > cc you on all of his league correspondance and request that George > adds you to the actual list. Wouldn't it make more sense to just make a generic JOL list serve with, like, yahoo or google or something, run by someone who is actively involved with JOL, and has a pointer on the JOL home page or something? -Peter

[ quoted text not captured ] The word "pardner" may sometimes be placed instead of the traditional smiely (;)) face. Auntie Hannahs netiquette 101. Pardner....

[ quoted text not captured ] Sense? Sense???!? Are you on crack man? Sense is for people who, like, live in the real world, man, like, man....\ (Note the invisible smiley face...)

[ quoted text not captured ] Sure would. While we are discussing this - does anyone know if George expects to get more interested in JOL at some point? Its very close to a really good online system - just a few bugs creeping in, such as pings not working, and a few easy to implement features (I think) would really take it to another level, and seem to me to be quick wins. Would he consider making it open source? so other fine minds can contribute? (I'm no programmer myself) Ant

[ quoted text not captured ] I actually don't think you can sign up for it if you aren't in the league. Which begs the question, why aren't you in the league? But that is perhaps a topic for another day. Back on topic, your idea to start a JOL yahoo group is a good one. I have been tempted for quite some time to do so. But haven't. I figured the League list (I feel like some 80% of english speaking active players are on this list) contacts most of the player base; and the NG would contact the rest. Folks looking to start games could do so via the chat. Also, since I am not an admin, I wouldn't be able to implement game requests that came over the e-mail list anyway. So it seems there isn't really a need for an e-mail list. Peter, you may be one of the few folks that participated in the tourney without being on the league list. I don't know everyone in the league. One other point: the tournament used to be run by Andrew "Wes" Weston (JOL = Ghost). Wes also runs the JOL League. This year, he was not able to run it, and asked for a volunteer to do so. Ira kindly volunteered. Ira decided to implement the Kuta Transfer Rules. He also invited players to participate from here on the NG, which I am not sure if Wes has done that before. However, since the tournament originated from the league, I guess that's still how the main communication is handled. And finally, as others have mentioned, George is actually the person who adds folks to the League listserve. And George is sort of like an absentee owner - he is rarely seen, but the day to day processes are carried on by his managers (admins). So things like the little bugs Ant mentions up thread, and additions to the league list, happen infrequently. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Nov 6, 12:16 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > I actually don't think you can sign up for it if you aren't in the > league. Which begs the question, why aren't you in the league? But > that is perhaps a topic for another day. Likely, but I'm not in the league as I play plenty of JOL without being in the league, so I figured it wasn't necessary, not realizing that it was the only way to get information I was hoping I'd get. > So it > seems there isn't really a need for an e-mail list. Except that the League list is apparently standing in for a generic JOL list. Where things like the tournament standings (having nothing to do with the League), discussion of tournament rules (having nothing to do with the League) and polls about the tournament (having nothing to do with the League) are taking place. Which indicates to me that, at least on some level, there is a use for a list serve about JOL that isn't League specific. Which might actually be what the League list is. But it isn't called that. And nothing indicates that this is the case. > Peter, you may be one of the few folks that participated in the tourney > without being on the league list. I don't know everyone in the league. That is very possible. Maybe I'm like a one person outlier. But there was no way for me to know this. And without knowing it, I was not getting information that I was hoping I was getting. All of this is easily remedied by me getting on the League list (which Ira is kindly attempting to do at this point). But still, in terms of what makes sense, having a generic JOL Listserve that has a pointer on the JOL homepage seems like a much better plan that having a League listserve that looks like it is only something that you should be on if you are in a League, and then have people discover that not being on the League list leaves them informationless. -Peter, just trying to be helpful

Blooded Sand escribió: [ quoted text not captured ] Prefix "de-" can also indicate movement from above downwards. -- Damnans http://www.almadrava.net/damnans http://www.vtes.net http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/vteshispania/ http://iuturna.sorcery.net (IRC channel: #vtes)

On Nov 6, 11:26 am, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote: > > All of this is easily remedied by me getting on the League list (which > Ira is kindly attempting to do at this point). But still, in terms of > what makes sense, having a generic JOL Listserve that has a pointer on > the JOL homepage seems like a much better plan that having a League > listserve that looks like it is only something that you should be on > if you are in a League, and then have people discover that not being > on the League list leaves them informationless. > I like the idea of a Yahoo Group for JOL, since it stores the messages instead of just sending out an email, and would be interesting even to someone like me who does not currently play JOL (although I plan to get back into it at some point when I find some time and get a game where they'll put up with me learning the new interface).

Peter D Bakija wrote: > On Nov 6, 12:16 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: >> I actually don't think you can sign up for it if you aren't in the >> league. Which begs the question, why aren't you in the league? But >> that is perhaps a topic for another day. > > Likely, but I'm not in the league as I play plenty of JOL without > being in the league, so I figured it wasn't necessary, not realizing > that it was the only way to get information I was hoping I'd get. > >> So it >> seems there isn't really a need for an e-mail list. > > Except that the League list is apparently standing in for a generic > JOL list. Where things like the tournament standings (having nothing > to do with the League), discussion of tournament rules (having nothing > to do with the League) and polls about the tournament (having nothing > to do with the League) are taking place. Which indicates to me that, > at least on some level, there is a use for a list serve about JOL that > isn't League specific. Which might actually be what the League list > is. But it isn't called that. And nothing indicates that this is the > case. > You should start one then. Or perhaps a better solution for your case (and maybe others), the person who organizes the next tournament should just have a mailing list for those participating in the tournament. Very easy to set up in every single e-mail program out there. I guess other reasons for a list include e-mailing out to it to ask folks to start/join games, and perhaps as a limited pinging resource. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] It seems that George Finklang has been super busy lately and hasn't had a chance to update the mailing lists. For example, I have migrated my VTES related mails from my pacbell.net address to one at gmail.com. George hasn't updated the JOL mailing list yet, so I still have to check the old address for information. I don't believe that Ira or Wes (Ghost) have the ability to update the mailing list. Kind of a drag. Jeff

On Nov 6, 9:26 am, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote: > On Nov 6, 12:16 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > > I actually don't think you can sign up for it if you aren't in the > > league. Which begs the question, why aren't you in the league? But > > that is perhaps a topic for another day. > > Likely, but I'm not in the league as I play plenty of JOL without > being in the league, so I figured it wasn't necessary, not realizing > that it was the only way to get information I was hoping I'd get. It should not be necessary. I sent e-mail to the league list because a lot of tournament players were in the league, and I also sent to the JOL users e-mail list. I believed that the JOL users list went to all players with a registered JOL account (since you have to give an e- mail when you sign up), but either a) you gave a bogus e-mail address when you signed up (I doubt it), or b) George has to manually add people to the JOL users e-mail list, and that's not automated as I had assumed. I apologize for making that assumption, and I should have also CC'ed any tournament correspondence to this newsgroup as well. There were several people who signed up directly from the newsgroup, so I likely missed other people besides Peter. I'm sorry! That's good feedback for next year. :) If you are still interested in taking the poll, I'd be happy to hear your feedback (any anyone else who hasn't shared their feedback yet.) It's available here: http://irafay.com/jol.html Regarding the idea of a yahoo group for JOL, I think we should just standby for another few weeks. I've requested list moderator access from George, so hopefully we can increase the responsiveness to new people being added to JOL. It really is an incredible system, and I'm regularly amazed at how much George has created on a purely volunteer basis. I think we should all remember to thank him, and keep in mind that it's a purely volunteer project. For anyone interested in checking it out, it's entirely free and available here: http://deckserver.net/jol3/beta Thanks, Ira

On Nov 6, 5:10 pm, "ira...@gmail.com" <ira...@gmail.com> wrote: > It should not be necessary. I sent e-mail to the league list because > a lot of tournament players were in the league, and I also sent to the > JOL users e-mail list. I believed that the JOL users list went to all > players with a registered JOL account (since you have to give an e- > mail when you sign up), but either a) you gave a bogus e-mail address > when you signed up (I doubt it), or b) George has to manually add > people to the JOL users e-mail list, and that's not automated as I had > assumed. Ah, yeah, that seems to be the likely situation (as my JOL e-mail is my actual e-mail :-). So there was actually a system built to handle this situation (i.e. a JOL usesers e-mail list), but it kind of broke down. Fair enough. > I think we should all remember to thank him, and keep in mind > that it's a purely volunteer project. Oh, absolutely. The whole JOL thing is fantastic. Thanks! -Peter

[ quoted text not captured ] George Fink is fantastic! ;)

"Blooded Sand" <sand...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:16a71537-1d9e-415c...@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Feh! "Suggesting 'dethrone' is a 'positively-associated word instead of a negatively-associated word to describe the "doing" of something': priceless!" Perhaps it could be used thus in a positively-associated way: "King Edward VIII dethroned in order to marry a divorcee." I suppose it depends on your view of royal responsibilities and romanticism. But I gotta say, it's not working for me. Fred

"Jeff Kuta" <jeff...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:be27af3b-f245-4d07...@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > It seems that George Finklang has been super busy lately and hasn't > had a chance to update the mailing lists. For example, I have migrated > my VTES related mails from my pacbell.net address to one at gmail.com. > George hasn't updated the JOL mailing list yet, so I still have to > check the old address for information. I don't believe that Ira or Wes > (Ghost) have the ability to update the mailing list. Kind of a drag. This is all very silly. Why don't you guys just setup a Yahoo groups mailing list and let people who have time and interest manage it? Fred

Frederick Scott wrote: >> On Nov 6, 2:20 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >>> Deplane -- a thing in the plane (passenger) leaves the plane. >>> Decrypt -- a thing in the crypt (card) leaves the crypt. >>> >>> Not wobbly at all. >>> >>> See also >>> >>> detrain >>> derail >>> dethrone >>> demount >>> deorbit >>> decamp >>> >>> If you want wobbly, see decant (actually, that's pretty solid, too) or devest. > Feh! > > "Suggesting 'dethrone' is a 'positively-associated word instead of a > negatively-associated word to describe the "doing" of something': priceless!" Feh? I didn't suggest it was positively-associated. > Perhaps it could be used thus in a positively-associated way: > "King Edward VIII dethroned in order to marry a divorcee." > > I suppose it depends on your view of royal responsibilities and romanticism. > But I gotta say, it's not working for me. Oh noes! The sole example doesn't fit your worldview! :-) Dethrone means "remove from the throne". And decrypt is being used to mean remove from the crypt. So I'm not sure how the parallel is missed. Bob dethroned Edward. Edward was dethroned. Bob decrypted Igo. Igo was decrypted. But if that is a stumbling block in your eyes, see also the other see alsos listed above.

[ quoted text not captured ] > listed above.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - /nitpick Well decrypt does mean remove from crypt, but that does not definitely mean move from crypt to uncontrolled though ./nitpick

Blooded Sand wrote: > /nitpick Well decrypt does mean remove from crypt, but that does not > definitely mean move from crypt to uncontrolled though ./nitpick Um. OK. Sounds great. Scott Is this non-sequitur day? No one told me.

[ quoted text not captured ] You know, talking about non-sequitur, whats a sequitur? And if pro is the opposite of con, is congress the opposite of progress?

On Nov 7, 7:48 am, "Frederick Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote: > "Blooded Sand" <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote in message [ quoted text not captured ] Sometimes words just come into being. Fred, you should know we have used "decrypt" to signify moving a card from crypt to inactive for over 10 years here in the SF Bay Area. Apparently this term has started catching on in other parts of the VTES community as well. Much as you might like a return to normalcy, it ain't gonna happen. ;) Jeff

On Nov 7, 11:54 am, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote: > You know, talking about non-sequitur, whats a sequitur? A shadowy figure who dogs your footsteps when you are alone at night in a dark alley. > And if pro is the opposite of con, is congress the opposite of > progress? .. and what is the effect of a pro-sanguinous boon?

Jeff Kuta wrote: > > Sometimes words just come into being. > > Fred, you should know we have used "decrypt" to signify moving a card > from crypt to inactive for over 10 years here in the SF Bay Area. > Apparently this term has started catching on in other parts of the > VTES community as well. Much as you might like a return to normalcy, > it ain't gonna happen. ;) > I'm liking "disencrypt". And honestly, why does the word have to have a positive spin to it? It's a negative for very likely 2 of the 5 players at the table, and maybe all other players. best - chris -- [ quoted text not captured ]

"Jeff Kuta" <jeff...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:42155595-b452-4538...@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com... > > "Suggesting 'dethrone' is a 'positively-associated word instead of a > > negatively-associated word to describe the "doing" of something': priceless!" > > > > Perhaps it could be used thus in a positively-associated way: > > "King Edward VIII dethroned in order to marry a divorcee." > > > > I suppose it depends on your view of royal responsibilities and romanticism. > > But I gotta say, it's not working for me. > > Sometimes words just come into being. > > Fred, you should know we have used "decrypt" to signify moving a card > from crypt to inactive for over 10 years here in the SF Bay Area. > Apparently this term has started catching on in other parts of the > VTES community as well. Much as you might like a return to normalcy, > it ain't gonna happen. ;) Erm, I don't think it could be quite 10 years, Jeff. Might I remind you that I was playing VtES in the SF Bay Area - and you weren't - 10 years ago. My, how time flies! (ObSequitar - for LSJ's benefit: "I knew King Edward VIII and you, sir, are no King Edward VIII!!!")

[ quoted text not captured ] Yahoo groups suck. Having run one for the last 12 years or so, i am just sick of the admin interface and the amount of crud attached ot each email spruiking how good yahoo is. I'd recommend a google group instead (yes, google groups also does mailing lists, it's not just a usenet interface). -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'gmail' to email) "In *my* Assamite deck, this would pwn you in teh FAEC, so shut up." "Thats only cos u've never sene mi Gionavvi PUNCHnMUCNH u asshat." - James Coupe

ira...@gmail.com wrote: > It should not be necessary. I sent e-mail to the league list because > a lot of tournament players were in the league, and I also sent to the > JOL users e-mail list. I believed that the JOL users list went to all > players with a registered JOL account (since you have to give an e- > mail when you sign up), but either a) you gave a bogus e-mail address > when you signed up (I doubt it), or b) George has to manually add > people to the JOL users e-mail list, and that's not automated as I had > assumed. my guess is b). I play JOL, I never received anything. I signed on with a legit email addy. I played in neither the league or the tournament. [ quoted text not captured ]