[LSJ] Contesting and uniqueness

The online rulebook says that you may not contest a card with yourself but I am unsure as to how this is resolved. These scenerios are mostly corner cases but are a result of my thinking baout the original case. Scenerio 1- I have a Sengir dagger out and I take an action to equip a second. Does the action never occur, fizzle (I'm tapped but no dagger), or one of the daggers is burned immediately. Scenerio 2- I have Stanislava out with the eye of Haziel and I accidently influence out another Stanislava. (I love made up examples) Are the transfers prevented, the last transfer is prevented, or Stanislava just sits in my uncontrolled region with no blood or she comes out and it is resolved as in Scenerio 1. Scenerio 3- I have Anson out and call a vote to make Smudge the Prince of Seattle in order to cycle cards. (Clearly Anson is going to vote againist this vote even though it is my own) Is this a legal action as it doesn't automatically contest the title in question. Thanks, Paul

Paul Steiner wrote: :: Scenerio 1- I have a Sengir dagger out :: and I take an action to equip a second. Does the action never :: occur, fizzle (I'm tapped but no dagger), or one of the daggers is :: burned immediately. The second dagger burns as it enter play. Alternat answer : you play with cool guys who will just point you are going to equip for nothing, and you "take back the card & do sumthin'else" =) :: Scenerio 2- I have Stanislava out with the :: eye of Haziel and I accidently influence out another Stanislava. :: (I love made up examples) The other Stanislava enters play, burning immediatly. note: it works this way even when you don't control the Eye of Hazimel ;) :: Scenerio 3- I have Anson out and call a vote to :: make Smudge the Prince of Seattle in order to cycle cards. :: (Clearly Anson is going to vote againist this vote even though it :: is my own) Is this a legal action as it doesn't automatically :: contest the title in question. It's an illegal action since Anson cannot name another vampire a Prince using a Praxis Seizure card. However, Smudge can play a praxis Seizure to become the Prince of Seattle =) (Or Anson can call the praxis Seizure for himself ;) ) The title doesn't automatically contest, but your friends on the table will certainly vote in favor only to see you embarrased as Smudge becomes the new prince =) reyda

Paul Steiner wrote: > > The online rulebook says that you may not contest a card with yourself > but I am unsure as to how this is resolved. These scenerios are mostly > corner cases but are a result of my thinking baout the original case. > Scenerio 1- I have a Sengir dagger out and I take an action to equip a > second. Does the action never occur, fizzle (I'm tapped but no dagger), > or one of the daggers is burned immediately. The action cannot be attempted. The card is not played. The minion doesn't tap. > Scenerio 2- I have Stanislava out with the eye of Haziel and I > accidently influence out another Stanislava. (I love made up examples) > Are the transfers prevented, the last transfer is prevented, or > Stanislava just sits in my uncontrolled region with no blood or she > comes out and it is resolved as in Scenerio 1. Stanislava "comes out" to the ash heap. > Scenerio 3- I have Anson out and call a vote to make Smudge the > Prince of Seattle in order to cycle cards. (Clearly Anson is going to > vote againist this vote even though it is my own) Is this a legal > action as it doesn't automatically contest the title in question. Titles are not cards - they can be contested. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3D8F7547...@white-wolf.com>... > Paul Steiner wrote: > > > > The online rulebook says that you may not contest a card with yourself > > but I am unsure as to how this is resolved. These scenerios are mostly > > corner cases but are a result of my thinking baout the original case. > > Scenerio 1- I have a Sengir dagger out and I take an action to equip a > > second. Does the action never occur, fizzle (I'm tapped but no dagger), > > or one of the daggers is burned immediately. > > The action cannot be attempted. The card is not played. The minion doesn't tap. So if a person happened to have a vampire with a Sengir Dagger, and another vampire with Vast Wealth, if they took the action to equip and the first equipment available was a Sengir Dagger, what would happen? Hm..guess I should have looked first, because here's the answer: "If the equipment cannot be legally placed on the vampire, it is burned without cost." I assume this also applies to vampires of an inappropriate clan or discipline trying to equip with an item requiring said clan or discipline. Jeff

<Snip> >> So if a person happened to have a vampire with a Sengir Dagger, and >> another vampire with Vast Wealth, if they took the action to equip and >> the first equipment available was a Sengir Dagger, what would happen? >> >> Hm..guess I should have looked first, because here's the answer: >> >> "If the equipment cannot be legally placed on the vampire, it is >> burned without cost." >> >> I assume this also applies to vampires of an inappropriate clan or >> discipline trying to equip with an item requiring said clan or >> discipline. > >Correct. > >-- >LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. So, if I read this correctly. Smudge can tap and take an action to equip a Femur of Toomler. Result being that the Femur is burnt, as Smudge cannot hold onto it (not being a Tzimisce) tho I do get to cycle the card. Is that right? BernieTime Lansing, Michigan

berni...@attbi.comHOLDLeSPAM wrote: (snip) :::: "If the equipment cannot be legally placed on the vampire, it is :::: burned without cost." :::: :::: I assume this also applies to vampires of an inappropriate clan :::: or discipline trying to equip with an item requiring said clan or :::: discipline. ::: ::: Correct. ::: ::: -- ::: LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. :: :: So, if I read this correctly. Smudge can tap and take an action to :: equip a Femur of Toomler. Result being that the Femur is burnt, as :: Smudge cannot hold onto it (not being a Tzimisce) tho I do get to :: cycle the card. Is that right? No, you don't read correctly ;) smudge has to be a tzimisce in order to attempt to equip with the femur. However, if smudge has a vast wealth (a fact that most of us just ignored) and taps to equip with the first equipment from your library, he may end up equipping with a Femur. If it is the casen then the femur is burned without paying the cost. Voila ! reyda

[ quoted text not captured ] No. Smudge cannot attempt to equip the Femur because he doesn't meet the requirements. The above is talking about Vast Wealth. If Smudge attempts the Vast Wealth action and the equipment retrieved is the Femur, then the Femur is burned without cost. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: [...] > > So, if I read this correctly. Smudge can tap and take an action to > > equip a Femur of Toomler. Result being that the Femur is burnt, as > > Smudge cannot hold onto it (not being a Tzimisce) tho I do get to cycle > > the card. Is that right? > > No. Smudge cannot attempt to equip the Femur because he doesn't > meet the requirements. > > The above is talking about Vast Wealth. If Smudge attempts the Vast > Wealth action and the equipment retrieved is the Femur, then the Femur > is burned without cost. Then, can a vampire I control (with a Soul Gem and a Vast Wealth) use the Vast Wealth to equip with the first piece of equipment I find in my library (knowing that the only piece of equipment there are lots of Soul Gems? (just to cycle cards). Greetings, Damnans

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. The order/contents of your library is not treated as a "known", even if you do happen to know it. [ quoted text not captured ]

>> Then, can a vampire I control (with a Soul Gem and a Vast Wealth) use the Vast >> Wealth to equip with the first piece of equipment I find in my library (knowing >> that the only piece of equipment there are lots of Soul Gems? (just to cycle >> cards). > Yes. The order/contents of your library is not treated as a "known", even > if you do happen to know it. You can actually base a strategy around this fact if you really wanted to.. Tusk the Talebearer lets you look at the top card in your library. Put a bunch of "search for equipment and reshuffle" effects (Vast Wealth, Thomas Steed, Magic of the Smith, ...) in the deck and no equipment to back it up.. so you can reshuffle til you get the top card you wanted. Or you can keep reshuffling near endgame if you're going for that precious half-point. You'll probably get beaten up for doing so, though... :)

[ quoted text not captured ] Dang, and here I was hoping you'd ingore Smudge so that he could cycle a card for me ;-) Smudge: "Hey! What's this bone thingy? Ewwww".. BernieTime

"Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message news:x70k9.426405 > Or you can keep reshuffling near endgame if you're going for that precious > half-point. You'll probably get beaten up for doing so, though... :) There are provisions against stalling in the V:EKN rules. If the action serves no purpose but to cause a reshuffle and waste time, most judges will be able to see through that pretty clearly. -Robert Robert Goudie Chairman, V:EKN rob...@vtesinla.org http://www.vekn.org http://storyline.vekn.org

In message <S9bk9.1914$u56.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Robert Goudie <rrgo...@earthlink.net> writes: >There are provisions against stalling in the V:EKN rules. If the action serves >no purpose but to cause a reshuffle and waste time, most judges will be able to >see through that pretty clearly. A number of the referenced actions do serve to do other things. A player could have a legitimate argument of "I have it in my hand, my hand's stuffed in, I just want to play it to cycle, because I'll throw my Seduction modifier on top of the Magic of the Smith too". Obviously, this would be down to a judge to decide. -- James Coupe PGP 0x5D623D5D Don't just clap. What's the use of that? EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 You there, gorgeous creature. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D Stop...that...bus!