Another "Set Range" question

How do Fear of the Void Below and Immortal Grapple interact? Sargon and Jimmy Dunn get in a fight. Sargon plays Fear of the Void Below (range defaults to long each round). Jimmy maneuvers to close with a Flash, and plays Immortal Grapple. Hands for 1, each.. Jimmy presses off the grapple. What is the range during the second round? Fear says it's long, Grapple says it's close. Is it determined by the acting minion? Or by the first effect played? Or by the last effect played?

Jozxyqk wrote: > How do Fear of the Void Below and Immortal Grapple interact? Fear makes the default range for each round long instead of close. Superior Grapple sets the range for the subsequent round to close, without regard for the default. > Sargon and Jimmy Dunn get in a fight. > Sargon plays Fear of the Void Below (range defaults to long each round). > Jimmy maneuvers to close with a Flash, and plays Immortal Grapple. > Hands for 1, each.. > Jimmy presses off the grapple. > What is the range during the second round? > Fear says it's long, Grapple says it's close. Fear says it would've defaulted to long. Grapple says it's close. > Is it determined by the acting minion? > Or by the first effect played? > Or by the last effect played? No conflict, so it is determined by Grapple. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:03:52 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> scrawled: >Jozxyqk wrote: >> How do Fear of the Void Below and Immortal Grapple interact? > >Fear makes the default range for each round long instead of close. >Superior Grapple sets the range for the subsequent round to close, >without regard for the default. to clarify further: normally, every round is close. this is the 'default'. you then maneuver to long, etc, as cards are played. if the range for a round has been 'set', it cannot be reset, and is at the set range. Fear of the Void Below merely changes the default from close to long. so each round starts at long and can be maneuvered back to close, etc. setting range still sets the range, thus it cannot be reset, the default has no impact on what it's set to. so sum up, changing the default range is different to setting range. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<4023E518...@white-wolf.com>... > Jozxyqk wrote: > > How do Fear of the Void Below and Immortal Grapple interact? > > Fear makes the default range for each round long instead of close. > Superior Grapple sets the range for the subsequent round to close, > without regard for the default. > > > Sargon and Jimmy Dunn get in a fight. > > Sargon plays Fear of the Void Below (range defaults to long each round). > > Jimmy maneuvers to close with a Flash, and plays Immortal Grapple. > > Hands for 1, each.. > > Jimmy presses off the grapple. > > What is the range during the second round? > > Fear says it's long, Grapple says it's close. > > Fear says it would've defaulted to long. > Grapple says it's close. > > > Is it determined by the acting minion? > > Or by the first effect played? > > Or by the last effect played? > > No conflict, so it is determined by Grapple. On a similar notice... Can "canceling maneuver" from Rigor Mortis cancel a maneuver used to maneuver to close range? Bye, Daneel

Daneel wrote: > On a similar notice... Can "canceling maneuver" from Rigor Mortis > cancel a maneuver used to maneuver to close range? Yes, since no restriction (i.e., "used to maneuver to long") is made by card text. Other similar notes: Direct Intervention can cancel such a maneuver card. DI could also cancel a press card used to press to end. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<40278503...@white-wolf.com>... > Daneel wrote: > > On a similar notice... Can "canceling maneuver" from Rigor Mortis > > cancel a maneuver used to maneuver to close range? > > Yes, since no restriction (i.e., "used to maneuver to long") is > made by card text. > > Other similar notes: > Direct Intervention can cancel such a maneuver card. > DI could also cancel a press card used to press to end. In older form there was a distinction between "maneuver" and "cancel maneuver", also between "press to continue" and "press to cancel". I'm not sure the terminology persists even partially (Swoop uses the "go to close range" clause), but making sure never hurts. Bye, Daneel

[ quoted text not captured ] The effect do not conflict, if there were a press (without IG), then range would be long. IG overrides Fear of the Void and sets Range to Short.