rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Amaranth/Ritual of the Bitter Rose

2 messages from 2 participants · 14 October 1996
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Sorrow

If you use Amaranth to Diablerize the opposing vampire instead of sending them into Torpor, could you then follow it up with Ritual? I don't see why not because Diablerie burns the vamp, but I just want to make sure. Sorrow -- I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am anymore |-------------------------------- I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...? anymore | you never seen anyone try to I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon ------------------------------------------------------------------------

L. Scott Johnson

cbo...@apdi.net (Sorrow) writes: >If you use Amaranth to Diablerize the opposing vampire instead of sending them >into Torpor, could you then follow it up with Ritual? I don't see why not >because Diablerie burns the vamp, but I just want to make sure. Yes. This is the only way to make effective use of "usable in combat" part of the Ritual - if you burn a vampire by any means other than amaranth, then the burned vampire has no blood to offer for the ritual. <End ruling - dull and nit-picking contemplation follows - skip at will> The exception is Franciscus who is burned if he takes >3 dmg in a combat - so, with several Master:Skill cards on him, he could, in theory, offer blood to the ritual even though he is burned without Amaranth). The same extreme case cannot be made for Julius, whose special restriction only kicks in after he enters torpor. This case (burning without diablerie) runs counter to the WoD concept of the Ritual (so I'm told), so there is a house rule (proposed by Alan Kwan and used by myself and the Corrupter) that the Ritual can only be used after a diablerie (combat or no) - eliminating the "cycling" use of the card while disallowing the far-fetched Franciscus case. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Hard work has a future payoff. http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | Laziness pays off now. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |