Telepathic Counter vs. Spying Mission?

Can Telepathic Counter be used after a minion uses superior Spying Mission to modify a bleed action? If so, do you use the minion's potential bleed to determine whether or not the action is successful?

James Engman <eng...@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Well, first I'm not sure what part of Spying mission your refering to but heres my thoughts. Yes you can play the counter during both parts of the card. When the Meth bleeding plays the card you can play it for no effect since it reduces the 0 bleed. Play when the mission is burned for the +2 mod. Some might say that it would counter the first use of the card and I can see that but I'd let it play out since it doesn't say play when the bleed action is succesful. Rory

In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.960218...@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>, James Engman <eng...@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu> wrote: : Can Telepathic Counter be used after a minion uses superior Spying : Mission to modify a bleed action? If so, do you use the minion's potential : bleed to determine whether or not the action is successful? My understanding is that a Telepathic Counter will stop the Spying Mission from being played, but that it must be played before the Spying Mission. Works like this: I bleed you. Blocking is ineffectual or never happens. You ask how much the bleed is for. I say 1. You then play Telepathic Counter (or don't) If you do, then it's over. If you don't, and I play Spying Mission, then it goes through. The thing to remember is that each person has a chance to respond to the other person's action. Spying Mission can only be played if there is a bleed that got through, so it has to wait until after the bleed is countered or not. A Spying Mission can be played before a Deflection (or Telepathic Misdirection), however, as the bleed is considered unblocked by that point in time, and the acting minion has the first opportunity to play cards. This is kind of a strange timing sort of question. What do L. Scott Johnson and Tom think of this? stephen beaulieu hi...@mail.utexas.edu

James Engman <eng...@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu> writes: > Can Telepathic Counter be used after a minion uses superior Spying >Mission to modify a bleed action? If so, do you use the minion's potential >bleed to determine whether or not the action is successful? This has changed, but this is the latest answer: From: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Subject: Revised Jyhad FAQ: 4/18/95 version Date: 18 Apr 1995 23:01:44 GMT Message-ID: <3n1gco$7...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Q: If I want to use Telepathic Counter against my opponent's bleed and he wants to use Spying Mission, who wins? A: Telepathic Counter would win, because the card reduces the bleed to 0, therefore Spying Mission would have no effect. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | My neurons must have tenure - http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | none of them can be fired. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |

hi...@mail.utexas.edu (Stephen Beaulieu) wrote: >A Spying Mission can be played before a Deflection (or Telepathic >Misdirection), however, as the bleed is considered unblocked by that >point in time, and the acting minion has the first opportunity to play >cards. >This is kind of a strange timing sort of question. >What do L. Scott Johnson and Tom think of this? >stephen beaulieu >hi...@mail.utexas.edu This is a reason I prefer the other interpertation. Rory