Mask of 1000 Faces

I have a couple of questions concerning the Mask of a Thousand Faces. First, is this card as versatile as it seems?? Could I use it between combat rounds?? Could I use it after range was chosen but before the strike was chosen?? Could I use it after the strike was chosen but before damage was assigned?? Could I use it after the "acting minion" was unblocked but before the action resolved? Help me out, s'il vous plait. Secondly, the MoaTF has a superior ability, which is "as above, with +1 stealth". Since this is not an action card, but rather an action modifier, I didn't think the "untapped minion other than the acting minion" would need stealth. I am confused. TIA, Madman -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm).

Madman2001 wrote in message <52dE3.11567$LL2.1...@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com>... >I have a couple of questions concerning the Mask of a Thousand Faces. > >First, is this card as versatile as it seems?? Could I use it between >combat rounds?? Could I use it after range was chosen but before the >strike was chosen?? Could I use it after the strike was chosen but >before damage was assigned?? Could I use it after the "acting minion" >was unblocked but before the action resolved? Help me out, s'il vous >plait. > Nope. Sorry, but being within combat precludes the use of anything but combat cards... >Secondly, the MoaTF has a superior ability, which is "as above, with +1 >stealth". Since this is not an action card, but rather an action >modifier, I didn't think the "untapped minion other than the acting >minion" would need stealth. I am confused. > Example situation: Player A: "Dimple attempts to bleed you" Player B: "I attempt to block with Lazvernius, Thrall of Lambach." Player A: "Whoa! Did I say Dimple???... (play Sup.MoaTF), it's really Agrippina at +1 stealth Since a block attempt was announced, the addition of stealth is valid. Regards, R. David Zopf Atom Weaver (& V:EKN Prince of Charlotte, NC)

Richard Zopf wrote: > > > >Secondly, the MoaTF has a superior ability, which is "as above, with +1 > >stealth". Since this is not an action card, but rather an action > >modifier, I didn't think the "untapped minion other than the acting > >minion" would need stealth. I am confused. > > > Example situation: > Player A: "Dimple attempts to bleed you" > Player B: "I attempt to block with Lazvernius, Thrall of Lambach." > Player A: "Whoa! Did I say Dimple???... (play Sup.MoaTF), it's really > Agrippina at +1 stealth > > Since a block attempt was announced, the addition of stealth is valid. > > Regards, > R. David Zopf > Atom Weaver (& V:EKN Prince of Charlotte, NC) But you can't transfer an action to a vampire who could not legally perform it, right? Examples: Leandro finishes Atonement (this one was in another thread recently). Leandro finishes Femur of Toomler. Leandro finishes 5th Tradition. How about this one: Leandro with one blood on him finishes Memory's Fading Glimpse? Can he try but fail because he can't pay or is he unable to do it at all? Can several vamps each play M1000 once on the same action (like with Cloak)? If I play it when someone tries to block without stealthing up past their current intercept, is that person still trying to block or can he say "No thanks. I'd rather not fight Cailean. Cailean is the baddest combat bitch in the game and will make my precious little Lupo the Vamp of 1000 Pieces." If he is allowed to wimp out, I'll consider this card the Mask of 1000 Feces. NaTe W

In article <7rrplq$84l$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>, Richard Zopf <guenh...@mindspring.com> writes >Nope. Sorry, but being within combat precludes the use of anything but >combat cards... Mostly true, but there are, of course, a few Out of Turn Masters which are useful as well, for example. -- James Coupe (Prince of Mercia, England) Vampire: Elder Kindred Network http://madnessnetwork.hexagon.net http://www.obeah.demon.co.uk

Nate Williams wrote in message <37E199...@hotmail.com>... >Richard Zopf wrote: >> >> >> >Secondly, the MoaTF has a superior ability, which is "as above, with +1 >> >stealth". Since this is not an action card, but rather an action >> >modifier, I didn't think the "untapped minion other than the acting >> >minion" would need stealth. I am confused. >> > >> Example situation: >> Player A: "Dimple attempts to bleed you" >> Player B: "I attempt to block with Lazvernius, Thrall of Lambach." >> Player A: "Whoa! Did I say Dimple???... (play Sup.MoaTF), it's really >> Agrippina at +1 stealth >> >> Since a block attempt was announced, the addition of stealth is valid. >> >> Regards, >> R. David Zopf >> Atom Weaver (& V:EKN Prince of Charlotte, NC) > >But you can't transfer an action to a vampire who could not legally >perform it, right? Right. >Examples: Leandro finishes Atonement (this one was in another thread >recently). Leandro finishes Femur of Toomler. Leandro finishes 5th >Tradition. He can't. He can't. He can't (thank Caine) >How about this one: Leandro with one blood on him finishes Memory's >Fading Glimpse? Can he try but fail because he can't pay or is he >unable to do it at all? He tries and fails, I think (IANALSJ) > >Can several vamps each play M1000 once on the same action (like with >Cloak)? Yep. It was a great trick when intercept got heavy (before any expansions) in my old metagame (of years gone by...) > >If I play it when someone tries to block without stealthing up past >their current intercept, is that person still trying to block or can he >say "No thanks. I'd rather not fight Cailean. Cailean is the baddest >combat bitch in the game and will make my precious little Lupo the Vamp >of 1000 Pieces." If Cailen chose to Mask at inferior, Lupo is still blocking, as the block has been announced... > >If he is allowed to wimp out, I'll consider this card the Mask of 1000 >Feces. > Nope. It still Mask of 1000 Forces...

James Coupe wrote in message ... >In article <7rrplq$84l$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>, Richard Zopf ><guenh...@mindspring.com> writes >>Nope. Sorry, but being within combat precludes the use of anything but >>combat cards... > >Mostly true, but there are, of course, a few Out of Turn Masters which >are useful as well, for example. > I'll add "...by the minion." It's so good to have you back, Herr Coupe :-) I noticed the post rate on r.g.t-c.jyhad just about doubled the morning your tourney report came in. Coincidence? I think not.... [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <7rtrus$ac3$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>, Richard Zopf <guenh...@mindspring.com> writes >I'll add "...by the minion." It's so good to have you back, Herr Coupe :-) *scans for sarcasm because, like Ford Prefect, I sometimes miss it unless I'm definitely checking* >I noticed the post rate on r.g.t-c.jyhad just about doubled the morning your >tourney report came in. Coincidence? I think not.... Heh. Isn't it useful having all these people love me so much? *mwah* *mwah* (Those are the "air kisses" that famous people do, for anyone who's wondering.) [ quoted text not captured ]

"Richard Zopf" <guenh...@mindspring.com> wrote: > > Nate Williams wrote in message <37E199...@hotmail.com>... > >But you can't transfer an action to a vampire who could not legally > >perform it, right? > Right. > > >Examples: Leandro finishes Atonement (this one was in another thread > >recently). Leandro finishes Femur of Toomler. Leandro finishes 5th > >Tradition. > He can't. He can't. He can't (thank Caine) Correct. > >How about this one: Leandro with one blood on him finishes Memory's > >Fading Glimpse? Can he try but fail because he can't pay or is he > >unable to do it at all? > He tries and fails, I think (IANALSJ) He can't (since he couldn't have taken the action initially). > > > >Can several vamps each play M1000 once on the same action (like with > >Cloak)? > Yep. It was a great trick when intercept got heavy (before any expansions) > in my old metagame (of years gone by...) Correct. > >If I play it when someone tries to block without stealthing up past > >their current intercept, is that person still trying to block or can he > >say "No thanks. I'd rather not fight Cailean. Cailean is the baddest > >combat [monster] in the game and will make my precious little Lupo the Vamp > >of 1000 Pieces." > If Cailen chose to Mask at inferior, Lupo is still blocking, as the block > has been announced... > > > > >If he is allowed to wimp out, I'll consider this card the Mask of 1000 > >Feces. > > > Nope. It still Mask of 1000 Forces... Correct, no "de-blocking" if you still have sufficient intercept. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

In article <7s42ql$ids$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, vte...@wizards.com (LSJ) wrote: > "Richard Zopf" <guenh...@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > > Nate Williams wrote in message <37E199...@hotmail.com>... > > >How about this one: Leandro with one blood on him finishes Memory's > > >Fading Glimpse? Can he try but fail because he can't pay or is he > > >unable to do it at all? > > He tries and fails, I think (IANALSJ) > > He can't (since he couldn't have taken the action initially). What if Leandro has a Blood Tears of Kephran? Alternatively, what if it's Darius instead and has the option of using Masochism or Ravnos Cache (I hope that's the right one)? Can he take over the action (assuming he has obfuscate) with insufficient blood, but enough counters from other sources to pull off the action? Can he then choose not to pay with the counters and make the action fizzle? Justicar. [ quoted text not captured ]

just...@my-deja.com wrote: > > In article <7s42ql$ids$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > vte...@wizards.com (LSJ) wrote: > > "Richard Zopf" <guenh...@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > > > > Nate Williams wrote in message <37E199...@hotmail.com>... > > > >How about this one: Leandro with one blood on him finishes Memory's > > > >Fading Glimpse? Can he try but fail because he can't pay or is he > > > >unable to do it at all? > > > He tries and fails, I think (IANALSJ) > > > > He can't (since he couldn't have taken the action initially). > > What if Leandro has a Blood Tears of Kephran? He still can't Mask unless he has three blood. Having Blood Tears is not the same as having blood. (Now, he could *burn* Blood Tears to gain two blood and *then* Mask the action) > Alternatively, what if it's Darius instead and has the option of using > Masochism or Ravnos Cache (I hope that's the right one)? Can he take > over the action (assuming he has obfuscate) with insufficient blood, > but enough counters from other sources to pull off the action? Can he > then choose not to pay with the counters and make the action fizzle? If he could take the action initially, then he can Mask the action. Ravnos Cache is only useful for equip actions. Masochism is only useful when the card is played - that is, when the action is announced (for action cards). -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) V:TES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp

just...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7s48kh$m6s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>... >In article <7s42ql$ids$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > vte...@wizards.com (LSJ) wrote: >> "Richard Zopf" <guenh...@mindspring.com> wrote: >> > >> > Nate Williams wrote in message <37E199...@hotmail.com>... >> > >How about this one: Leandro with one blood on him finishes Memory's >> > >Fading Glimpse? Can he try but fail because he can't pay or is he >> > >unable to do it at all? >> > He tries and fails, I think (IANALSJ) >> >> He can't (since he couldn't have taken the action initially). > >What if Leandro has a Blood Tears of Kephran? He'd have to burn the Blood Tears for his 2 blood _before_ playing Moa1KF. >Alternatively, what if it's Darius instead and has the option of using >Masochism or Ravnos Cache (I hope that's the right one)? Can he take >over the action (assuming he has obfuscate) with insufficient blood, >but enough counters from other sources to pull off the action? Can he >then choose not to pay with the counters and make the action fizzle? > I believe he could, but you wouldn't be able to opt out of paying for the action. Typically, some other effect would have to interfere (like damage in combat, followed by Form of Mist, etc.) If something happens before resolution that causes you to lose blood, that 's one thing, but you cannot yourself back out of paying for a card... [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <37E62668...@wizards.com>, LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> wrote: > just...@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > In article <7s42ql$ids$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > vte...@wizards.com (LSJ) wrote: > > > "Richard Zopf" <guenh...@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nate Williams wrote in message <37E199...@hotmail.com>... > > > Alternatively, what if it's Darius [doing Mask of 1,000 faces] instead and has the option of using > > Masochism or Ravnos Cache (I hope that's the right one)? Can he take > > over the action (assuming he has obfuscate) with insufficient blood, > > but enough counters from other sources to pull off the action? Can he > > then choose not to pay with the counters and make the action fizzle? > > If he could take the action initially, then he can Mask the action. > > Ravnos Cache is only useful for equip actions. > Masochism is only useful when the card is played - that is, when the > action is announced (for action cards). > Oops, I got the wrong Ravnos card. I meant to say, what if he uses Ravnos Carnival. Also, as a clarification for Masochism, what happens if the action is unsuccessful? Do you get the counters back? [ quoted text not captured ]

just...@my-deja.com wrote: > LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> wrote: > > just...@my-deja.com wrote: > > > Alternatively, what if it's Darius [doing Mask of 1,000 faces] > instead and has the option of using > > > Masochism or Ravnos Cache (I hope that's the right one)? Can he take > > > over the action (assuming he has obfuscate) with insufficient blood, > > > but enough counters from other sources to pull off the action? Can > he > > > then choose not to pay with the counters and make the action fizzle? > > > > If he could take the action initially, then he can Mask the action. > > > > Ravnos Cache is only useful for equip actions. > > Masochism is only useful when the card is played - that is, when the > > action is announced (for action cards). > > > > Oops, I got the wrong Ravnos card. I meant to say, what if he uses > Ravnos > Carnival. "If he could take the action initially, then he can Mask the action." > Also, as a clarification for Masochism, what happens if the action is > unsuccessful? Do you get the counters back? No. The counters were burned to reduce the cost of the card. Then, when the action is blocked, you simply fail to pay the (still reduced) cost. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <7s7lt0$2pe$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, just...@my-deja.com writes >Also, as a clarification for Masochism, what happens if the action is >unsuccessful? Do you get the counters back? You burn counters to reduce the cost when you play the card (i.e. the *other* card, that you're reducing the cost of, not Masochism). That you do not have to pay the cost because the action has failed does not change that - the cost was still reduced. So no, you do not get the counters back. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <37E77541...@wizards.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] > > Also, as a clarification for Masochism, what happens if the action is > > unsuccessful? Do you get the counters back? > > No. The counters were burned to reduce the cost of the card. > Then, when the action is blocked, you simply fail to pay the (still > reduced) cost. Oh OK. We were paying the counters when the action from successful (i.e., when blood would normally be paid). It's not immediately obvious when the counters should be paid (although it makes sense now). [ quoted text not captured ]