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A vamp plays Govern Superior to put 3 blood on a uncontrolled Vamp. That action is blocked. That vamps Freak Drives cam he now play Scouting Mission. Droz

In article <KKzP2.634$Jc7....@news2.giganews.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] Yes he can. Whether or not he is blocked he can do all four of the following each and every turn assuming an endless supply of Freak Drive, superior Dominate, and Superior Presence: Govern the Unaligned, Scouting Mission, Fourth Tradition, Enchant Kindred and any cards designed in the future that have the same effect. There is no action type defined called "Move blood to an uncontrolled vampire." Because there is not, you may take multiple different actions to do so as long as you have the appropriate skills/titles. Reminder, you may not play an action card of the same name twice in a round even if it grants different actions at inferior and superior. Carpe Noctem. Lasombra http://members.tripod.com/~Lasombra -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

The Lasombra wrote: > "John Ferretti" <pit...@olypen.com> wrote: > > A vamp plays Govern Superior to put 3 blood on a uncontrolled Vamp. That > > action is blocked. That vamps Freak Drives cam he now play Scouting Mission. > > Droz > > Yes he can. Whether or not he is blocked he can do all four of the > following each and every turn assuming an endless supply of Freak Drive, > superior Dominate, and Superior Presence: > > Govern the Unaligned, Scouting Mission, Fourth Tradition, Enchant Kindred > > and any cards designed in the future that have the same effect. > > There is no action type defined called "Move blood to an uncontrolled > vampire." Because there is not, you may take multiple different actions to do > so as long as you have the appropriate skills/titles. > > Reminder, you may not play an action card of the same name twice in a round > even if it grants different actions at inferior and superior. Correct. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html

> There is no action type defined called "Move blood to an uncontrolled > vampire." Because there is not, you may take multiple different actions to do > so as long as you have the appropriate skills/titles. Is there a list somewhere of the "defined action types"? Or can you list them out if there aren't many? It would be handy to know which are allowed and which aren't. Thanks, p.

In article <371252AA...@alpinetaxi.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] From the Standard DCI Floor Rules: 2.5.1 No Repeat Actions A given minion may not repeat an action, by action type, in a single turn. The defined "action types" are: bleed, hunt, equip, employ retainer, recruit ally, political action, leave torpor, rescue a vampire from torpor, and diablerize a vampire in torpor. If an action card is used to perform one of these actions, that action is considered to be of that type. If it is not one of these actions (i.e., Bum's Rush), then it is a type of its own, by card name. If a card in play is used to perform one of these actions, that action is considered to be of that type. If it is not one of these actions (i.e., enter combat via Haven Uncovered), then it is a type of its own, by specific instance of the card in play. Example: A vampire that successfully bleeds its controller's prey via Computer Hacking, then untaps via Freak Drive, cannot perform any bleeding action again, of any kind whatsoever, in that same turn. [ quoted text not captured ]

Duh. I guess I could have checked the DCI rules before I posted. Thanks though. I can't believe that "rush"/"attack" isn't a defined action type. p. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <7etot9$eem$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, The Lasombra <TheLa...@hotmail.com> wrote: > In article <371252AA...@alpinetaxi.com>, > Patrick Harris <alp...@alpinetaxi.com> wrote: > > > There is no action type defined called "Move blood to an uncontrolled > > > vampire." Because there is not, you may take multiple different actions to > > > do so as long as you have the appropriate skills/titles. > > > > Is there a list somewhere of the "defined action types"? Or can you list > > them out if there aren't many? It would be handy to know which are allowed > > and which aren't. > > From the Standard DCI Floor Rules: > > 2.5.1 No Repeat Actions > A given minion may not repeat an action, by action type, in a single turn. > > The defined "action types" are: bleed, hunt, equip, employ retainer, recruit > ally, political action, leave torpor, rescue a vampire from torpor, and > diablerize a vampire in torpor. > > If an action card is used to perform one of these actions, that action is > considered to be of that type. If it is not one of these actions (i.e., Bum's > Rush), then it is a type of its own, by card name. > > If a card in play is used to perform one of these actions, that action is > considered to be of that type. If it is not one of these actions (i.e., enter > combat via Haven Uncovered), then it is a type of its own, by specific > instance of the card in play. > > Example: A vampire that successfully bleeds its controller's prey via > Computer Hacking, then untaps via Freak Drive, cannot perform any bleeding > action again, of any kind whatsoever, in that same turn. Btw, I think it has been answered quite often, but I don't recall it. What happens when a vamp with zero blood hunts, untaps and has zero again. Which rule is effective, the NRA or the rule that an empty vamp can and must hunt as his only action. Also, does the rule mean "repeat action" or "repeat to attempt an action"? Could you please state the current ruling, LSJ, it's an important question for our regular league. Carl (VEKN Prince of Vienna) [ quoted text not captured ]

carl_pi...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > From the Standard DCI Floor Rules: > > 2.5.1 No Repeat Actions > > A given minion may not repeat an action, by action type, in a single turn. > > Btw, I think it has been answered quite often, but I don't recall it. > What happens when a vamp with zero blood hunts, untaps and has zero again. > Which rule is effective, the NRA or the rule that an empty vamp can and > must hunt as his only action. The rules do not conflict, so both are effective. From the rulebook: 6.1.2. Hunt (+1 stealth) Any time during a Methuselah's minion phase that one of her ready untapped vampires is empty (and not otherwise prohibited from hunting), he must hunt immediately, before any other action is taken by any minion. An empty ready vampire can take no action other than "hunt", however, so the empty vampire is "stuck" and simply remains untapped. > Also, does the rule mean "repeat action" or "repeat to attempt an action"? Those two phrases are the same. The rule means "repeat action" rather than "repeat successful action". [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <37127379...@alpinetaxi.com>, Patrick Harris <alp...@alpinetaxi.com> wrote: > Duh. I guess I could have checked the DCI rules before I posted. Thanks though. > I can't believe that "rush"/"attack" isn't a defined action type. I think the reason for that is that all the 'defined action types' are the ones that were described in the original rulebook. No action that is created only by an action card (eg Bum's Rush, superior Govern the Unaligned, Ritual Challenge) is considered to be part of a 'defined action type'. (the only non-cardless actions that were described in the rulebook were presumably defined because the cards required to perform them are not self-explanatory action cards - recruit ally, employ retainer, equip, political action.) Josh 'in yer face, Jasper Johns!' -h. simpson [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <371330B3...@wizards.com>, LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> wrote: > carl_pi...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > From the Standard DCI Floor Rules: > > > 2.5.1 No Repeat Actions > > > A given minion may not repeat an action, by action type, in a single turn. > > > > Btw, I think it has been answered quite often, but I don't recall it. > > What happens when a vamp with zero blood hunts, untaps and has zero again. > > Which rule is effective, the NRA or the rule that an empty vamp can and > > must hunt as his only action. > > The rules do not conflict, so both are effective. From the rulebook: > > 6.1.2. Hunt (+1 stealth) > Any time during a Methuselah's minion phase that one of her ready untapped > vampires is empty (and not otherwise prohibited from hunting), he must hunt > immediately, before any other action is taken by any minion. > > An empty ready vampire can take no action other than "hunt", however, so the > empty vampire is "stuck" and simply remains untapped. > > > Also, does the rule mean "repeat action" or "repeat to attempt an action"? > > Those two phrases are the same. > The rule means "repeat action" rather than "repeat successful action". So a vamp may not try a second action of the same type, if he already *tried* (not necessarily successful) the type of action? Carl [ quoted text not captured ]

carl.pi...@at.ccmail.philips.com wrote: > LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> wrote: > > carl_pi...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > > From the Standard DCI Floor Rules: > > > > 2.5.1 No Repeat Actions > > > > A given minion may not repeat an action, by action type, in a single turn. > > > > > > Btw, I think it has been answered quite often, but I don't recall it. > > > What happens when a vamp with zero blood hunts, untaps and has zero again. > > > Which rule is effective, the NRA or the rule that an empty vamp can and > > > must hunt as his only action. > > > > The rules do not conflict, so both are effective. From the rulebook: > > > > 6.1.2. Hunt (+1 stealth) > > Any time during a Methuselah's minion phase that one of her ready untapped > > vampires is empty (and not otherwise prohibited from hunting), he must hunt > > immediately, before any other action is taken by any minion. > > > > An empty ready vampire can take no action other than "hunt", however, so the > > empty vampire is "stuck" and simply remains untapped. > > > > > Also, does the rule mean "repeat action" or "repeat to attempt an action"? > > > > Those two phrases are the same. > > The rule means "repeat action" rather than "repeat successful action". > > So a vamp may not try a second action of the same type, if he already > *tried* (not necessarily successful) the type of action? Um, yeah. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. [ quoted text not captured ]