Alan Sovereign ADV Spoiler, What does it does?

white wolf just posted the spoiler for the new Alan Sovereign Card, but i don't understad what does it does... 6 Cap: DOM AUS pre for, G3 Advanced, Camarilla: While Allan is ready, you may pay some or all of the pool cost of equiping form any investment cards you control MERGED During your master phase, if Alan is ready, you may move a counter from any investment card to your pool. Dont you always pay the cost of the investment cards? what are the investment cards others than Short Term Investment and LTI.

Omael wrote: > white wolf just posted the spoiler for the new Alan Sovereign Card, but > i don't understad what does it does... Probably a language thing? > 6 Cap: DOM AUS pre for, G3 > Advanced, Camarilla: While Allan is ready, you may pay some or all of > the pool cost of equiping form any investment cards you control > MERGED During your master phase, if Alan is ready, you may move a > counter from any investment card to your pool. When you have advanced Allan Soverign in play, when you equip with something, you can pay for the thing you equip with with counters of investment cards (i.e. if you go and buy a .44 Magnum, you can pay for it with 2 counters off a Short Term Investment instead of with 2 pool). When he is merged, you can take counters off investment cards without using a master phase action. Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6 "So in conclusion, our business plan is to sell hot, easily spilled liquids to naked people." -Brittni Meil

[ quoted text not captured ] Short Term Investment Protracted Investment Secret Horde What his text means is that you can pay for Equipment cards with counters from Investment cards.

"Peter D Bakija" <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote in message news:BF50B90C.21FC7%pd...@lightlink.com... > Omael wrote: > >> white wolf just posted the spoiler for the new Alan Sovereign Card, but >> i don't understad what does it does... > > Probably a language thing? > >> 6 Cap: DOM AUS pre for, G3 >> Advanced, Camarilla: While Allan is ready, you may pay some or all of >> the pool cost of equiping form any investment cards you control >> MERGED During your master phase, if Alan is ready, you may move a >> counter from any investment card to your pool. > > When you have advanced Allan Soverign in play, when you equip with > something, you can pay for the thing you equip with with counters of > investment cards (i.e. if you go and buy a .44 Magnum, you can pay for it > with 2 counters off a Short Term Investment instead of with 2 pool). When he > is merged, you can take counters off investment cards without using a master > phase action. Um, I don't think the merged text means that, exactly, no. Otherwise, I'm going to break this card with the ultimate bloat deck: Alan Sovereign, Advanced Alan Sovereign, Anson, The Parthenon, and a BUNCH of Secret Hordes. Every turn that I could play three Secret Hordes, I could increase my pool almost 8-fold. I think the merged text means you can move ONE extra counter from an investment card every master phase - making them a lot more usable for bloat. Fred

"Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message news:VqqdnbmZvdme3Lbe...@comcast.com... > Omael <omael....@gmail.com> wrote: >> white wolf just posted the spoiler for the new Alan Sovereign Card, but >> i don't understad what does it does... >> 6 Cap: DOM AUS pre for, G3 >> Advanced, Camarilla: While Allan is ready, you may pay some or all of >> the pool cost of equiping form any investment cards you control >> MERGED During your master phase, if Alan is ready, you may move a >> counter from any investment card to your pool. > >> Dont you always pay the cost of the investment cards? what are the >> investment cards others than Short Term Investment and LTI. > > Short Term Investment > Protracted Investment > Secret Horde Yet you can't use it for Ventrue INVESTMENT... Like that makes sense. -- Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

"during your master phase you may move a counter from any investment card you control" That ability is usable only once each turn, it specifies "A COUNTER". My question was regarding the other ability, i was confused with that, i thought that it granted him the ability to pay for an investment card i've played... duh! silly me.

right. During X do Y. Duh! :) ~SV

Frederick Scott wrote: > I think the merged text means you can move ONE extra counter from an > investment card every master phase - making them a lot more usable for > bloat. Well, yes. It likely falls under the "During X, Do Y" template that defaults to once per X. Which I was assuming in my description. [ quoted text not captured ]

> 6 Cap: DOM AUS pre for, G3 > Advanced, Camarilla: While Alan is ready, you may pay some or all of > the pool cost of equiping form any investment cards you control > MERGED During your master phase, if Alan is ready, you may move a > counter from any investment card to your pool. That merged ability... It doesn't say "investment card *you control*". So, does merged Alan allow you yo steal counters from your opponents' investment cards? -- hg@ "If you can't offend part of your audience, iki.fi there is no point in being an artist at all." -Hakim Bey

" Um, I don't think the merged text means that, exactly, no. Otherwise, I'm going to break this card with the ultimate bloat deck: Alan Sovereign, Advanced Alan Sovereign, Anson, The Parthenon, and a BUNCH of Secret Hordes. Every turn that I could play three Secret Hordes, I could increase my pool almost 8-fold. " No way as Anson is Group 1 and Alan Group 3. Sathriel

Janne Hägglund wrote: >>6 Cap: DOM AUS pre for, G3 >>Advanced, Camarilla: While Alan is ready, you may pay some or all of >>the pool cost of equiping form any investment cards you control > >>MERGED During your master phase, if Alan is ready, you may move a >>counter from any investment card to your pool. > > That merged ability... It doesn't say "investment card *you control*". > > So, does merged Alan allow you yo steal counters from your opponents' > investment cards? Yes. -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Let me be the first to say.... "Fuuuuuuuuuuu.................................................ck." -tpl

And I'll be the second to say.... Holy Fuuuuuuu....................................ck. Protracted Investment, Alastor for an Assault Rifle. Pool gain of one for a Rush, 4R, and a maneuver. Owie, wowie.

sath...@o2.pl wrote: > No way as Anson is Group 1 and Alan Group 3. Well, yes, but the important part being discussed is the the "Durning X, Do Y" template that makes it so you can only do Y once each X by default. [ quoted text not captured ]

tobinator wrote: > Let me be the first to say.... > > "Fuuuuuuuuuuu.................................................ck." Uh, yeah. 'Cause this will now suddenly 'cause you to have to remove the 10 Short Term Investments you had in every deck? [ quoted text not captured ]

Alastor: Political card - Worth 1 vote. Called by any justicar or Inner Circle member at +1 stealth. Choose a ready Camarilla vampire. If this referendum is successful, search your library for an equipment card and place this card and the equipment on the chosen vampire. Pay half the cost (round down) of the equipment. This vampire may enter combat with any vampire controlled by another Methuselah as a +1 stealth (D) action. This vampire cannot commit diablerie. A vampire may have only one Alastor. Is this statement correct?: Alan's new card text cheese does not apply for the Alastor political action, because the equipment is 'placed', not 'equipped'. Damn. 1 pool Assult Rifles would have been cool. (1 pool for a short-term investment, and take 2 of the 3 counters on the investment to pay for the Alastor reduced cost Assult Rifle). 2 pool Flamethrowers will still rock :) -Vinnie! "Omael" <omael....@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1126906842.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

By the way, does the ability work with Slave Auction?

On 18 Sep 2005 03:01:10 -0700, "Tessa" <vt...@tut.by> wrote: >By the way, does the ability work with Slave Auction? Slave Auction is not an Investment. Therefore, Alan Sovereign (either incarnation) has no effect. Morgan Vening

<sath...@o2.pl> wrote in message news:1126954836....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Fine. I'll figure out a way use Rumors of Gehenna, then. Fred

"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message news:49UWe.13709$FW1....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Janne Hägglund wrote: >>>6 Cap: DOM AUS pre for, G3 >>>Advanced, Camarilla: While Alan is ready, you may pay some or all of >>>the pool cost of equiping form any investment cards you control >> >>>MERGED During your master phase, if Alan is ready, you may move a >>>counter from any investment card to your pool. >> >> That merged ability... It doesn't say "investment card *you control*". >> >> So, does merged Alan allow you yo steal counters from your opponents' >> investment cards? > > Yes. Nasty! Unlikely to come into play much, but still nasty. Fred

Frederick Scott wrote: > Fine. I'll figure out a way use Rumors of Gehenna, then. Or, ya know, Who Eats A Lotta Brocoli. Or the other Baali who also gives you a second MPA. Or The Parthenon. But in any case, moot. "During X, do Y". Ooh! Maybe *that* will be the name of our next tournament... [ quoted text not captured ]

Frederick Scott wrote: > Nasty! > > Unlikely to come into play much, but still nasty. Heh heh. It's like there wasn't *already* enough disiincentive to play STI... [ quoted text not captured ]

Peter D Bakija escreveu: > Frederick Scott wrote: > > > Fine. I'll figure out a way use Rumors of Gehenna, then. > > Or, ya know, *****Who Eats A Lotta Brocoli*****. My wife's comment at that: "the hability of V:tES players to make puns is unmatched". I hope this is some sort of a compliment. :D best,

Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo wrote: > My wife's comment at that: > "the hability of V:tES players to make puns is unmatched". > > I hope this is some sort of a compliment. :D > Heh heh. I blame that one on Jon Darbro. Who doesn't really have an excuse, as his wife is from Mexico, and he actually knows how to pronounce names like that :-) [ quoted text not captured ]

On 9/18/05 12:36 PM, in article BF530FD2.2205E%pd...@lightlink.com, "Peter D Bakija" <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote: > Frederick Scott wrote: > >> Fine. I'll figure out a way use Rumors of Gehenna, then. > > Or, ya know, Who Eats A Lotta Brocoli. Or the other Baali who also gives you > a second MPA. Or The Parthenon. > > But in any case, moot. "During X, do Y". > > Ooh! Maybe *that* will be the name of our next tournament... > > I might have to make the 4-hour drive to Ithaca for that. :) - Pat

On 9/18/05 12:55 PM, in article BF531432.22060%pd...@lightlink.com, "Peter D Bakija" <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote: > Frederick Scott wrote: > >> Nasty! >> >> Unlikely to come into play much, but still nasty. > > Heh heh. It's like there wasn't *already* enough disiincentive to play > STI... > > Wonder if it's worth working him into an Assault Rifle deck? AUS/dom makes him a one-minion bounce/Counter module, and he's relatively sturdy with FOR. Protracted Investment lets you get an AR for 2 pool [1 if merged, I guess?], plus that deck type usually plays master-light anyway, so you often have MPAs available for pulling counters back to pool. - Pat

Peter D Bakija wrote: > Frederick Scott wrote: > > > Nasty! > > > > Unlikely to come into play much, but still nasty. > > Heh heh. It's like there wasn't *already* enough disiincentive to play > STI... Suppose Investments were sorta like Heartblood of the Clan with this text: "Any vampire you control may take an action to move one counter from this investment to your pool." No stealth so weenies aren't super powerful here, but it allows people to keep their precious master slots for other purposes if they want. Not nearly as good as Blood Doll/hunting, but multiple vampires can use the same investment. Jeff

Pat wrote: > Wonder if it's worth working him into an Assault Rifle deck? AUS/dom makes > him a one-minion bounce/Counter module, and he's relatively sturdy with FOR. > > Protracted Investment lets you get an AR for 2 pool [1 if merged, I guess?], > plus that deck type usually plays master-light anyway, so you often have > MPAs available for pulling counters back to pool. That seems a very reasonable plan, for my money. [ quoted text not captured ]