[DECK] Lucita's Rant

You guess it. What follows up is a rewording for the shadow twin deck, but taking advantage that Lucita IS independent. Pass the free states with the Power structure, and Gratiano (He only gets one vote in the prisci subreferendum, right? so the prisci block votes are still 3 votes towards this referendum) Several governs to beam up lots of minions, and a go. Zoning board is great for this deck, either to remove hunting grounds or secure havens. Deck Name: Lucita's Rant Created By: Tom Description: Crypt: (14 cards, Min: 12, Max: 32, Avg: 6,00) ---------------------------------------------- 4 Lucita cel DOM FOR OBT pot 8, Lasombra 2 Gratiano DOM obf OBT pot 8, Lasombra, Priscus 1 Talley aus dom OBT POT 6, Lasombra 1 Aurora Van Brande dom for OBT pot 6, Lasombra 1 Guido Lucciano dom obf OBT 5, Lasombra 1 Mitchell obt pot 2, Pander 1 Aaron Duggan obt 2, Lasombra 1 Tobias Smith DOM OBT pot PRE 7, Lasombra 1 Ramiro dom obt vic 4, Lasombra 1 Ignacio dom obt pot 4, Lasombra Library: (90 cards) ------------------- Master (21 cards) 1 Elysian Fields 1 Fear of Mekhet 2 Fame 1 Humanitas 1 Hungry Coyote, The 2 Obtenebration 1 Parthenon, The 2 Path of Night, The 1 Political Hunting Ground 4 Power Structure 2 Society of Leopold 1 Strained Vitae Supply 2 Zoning Board Action (24 cards) 8 Govern the Unaligned 2 Sanguine Instruction 13 Shadow Twin 1 Summon the Abyss Action Modifier (10 cards) 2 Foreshadowing Destruction 6 Shadow Play 2 Shroud of Night Political Action (10 cards) 2 Consanguineous Boon 8 Free States Rant Reaction (12 cards) 6 Deflection 2 Delaying Tactics 4 Wake with Evening's Freshness Combat (12 cards) 2 Entombment 8 Oubliette 2 Shadow Body Ally (1 card) 1 Gregory Winter Comments and suggestions welcome. Too many masters perhaps? My experience with decks that rely criptic missions/shadow twins had proven that most of them are really necessary or usefull.

In message <beh14j$im7$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>, Smiling Tom <t...@almadrava.net> writes: >Pass the free states with the Power structure, and Gratiano (He only gets >one vote in the prisci subreferendum, right? so the prisci block votes are >still 3 votes towards this referendum) Correct. Free States Rant makes titles worth 1 less vote. So Gratiano's vote *as a Priscus* is reduced by 1, to zero. Gratiano's additional vote is *not* a title, nor related to his title. (Even if he's made into an Archbishop or Regent or similar, he can still cast it. Even if he changes clan/sect.) So that is still worth 1 vote in the Prisci sub-referendum. The Prisci block vote does not come from a title itself. So that is still worth 3 votes. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Lucky that my breasts are small and humble, EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 So you don't confuse them with mountains. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D

"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> escribió en el mensaje news:n5yMCnJhpAD$Ew...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk... > In message <beh14j$im7$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>, > Smiling Tom <t...@almadrava.net> writes: > >Pass the free states with the Power structure, and Gratiano (He only gets > >one vote in the prisci subreferendum, right? so the prisci block votes are > >still 3 votes towards this referendum) > > Correct. > > Free States Rant makes titles worth 1 less vote. So Gratiano's vote *as > a Priscus* is reduced by 1, to zero. > > Gratiano's additional vote is *not* a title, nor related to his title. > (Even if he's made into an Archbishop or Regent or similar, he can still > cast it. Even if he changes clan/sect.) So that is still worth 1 vote > in the Prisci sub-referendum. > But only prisci can cast votes in that subreferendum. So if he becomes cardinal or regent he no longer can use his special ability. It reminds me upon the old discussion upon geneiveve special ability... [ quoted text not captured ]

Smiling Tom wrote: :: "James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> escribió en el mensaje ::: Gratiano's additional vote is *not* a title, nor related to his ::: title. (Even if he's made into an Archbishop or Regent or ::: similar, he can still cast it. Even if he changes clan/sect.) ::: So that is still worth 1 vote in the Prisci sub-referendum. ::: :: But only prisci can cast votes in that subreferendum. So if he :: becomes cardinal or regent he no longer can use his special :: ability. False. False. If Gratiano becomes cardinal, he has 3 votes as a cardinal and 3 votes as a priscus if no other priscus counter his votes. If someone has an aditionnal vote in any referendum, he is free to cast them.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:18:17 +0200, "Smiling Tom" <t...@almadrava.net> scrawled: [snip] >------------------- >Master (21 cards) ... >1 Parthenon, The >Political Action (10 cards) >2 Consanguineous Boon >8 Free States Rant >Comments and suggestions welcome. Too many masters perhaps? My experience >with decks that rely criptic missions/shadow twins had proven that most of >them are really necessary or usefull. i'd try and squeeze in either a 2nd parthenon and/or a pair of rumours of gehenna votes, if you want to keep the master count that high. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"salem" <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje news:oq7ogv8djsgphhatp...@4ax.com... > On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:18:17 +0200, "Smiling Tom" <t...@almadrava.net> > scrawled: > > [snip] > >------------------- > >Master (21 cards) > ... > >1 Parthenon, The > > >Political Action (10 cards) > >2 Consanguineous Boon > >8 Free States Rant > > >Comments and suggestions welcome. Too many masters perhaps? My experience > >with decks that rely criptic missions/shadow twins had proven that most of > >them are really necessary or usefull. > > i'd try and squeeze in either a 2nd parthenon and/or a pair of rumours > of gehenna votes, if you want to keep the master count that high. > I guess I could do something like this: Replace Humanitas for a catacombs (-1 master) Replace the 2 obtenebration skills for 2 more sanguine instrucions (-2 masters) So it ends up in 18 masters, at a cost of 3 more actions. But with the number of minions this deck can put in play, the ammount of total actions shall be affordable (38 total actions, 8 of them bleed actions). Another variant should be replacing the 2 zoning boards for 2 kine dominance to steal those locations that screw this deck. [ quoted text not captured ]

reyda wrote: > False. False. > If Gratiano becomes cardinal, he has 3 votes as a cardinal and 3 votes as a > priscus if no other priscus counter his votes. > If someone has an aditionnal vote in any referendum, he is free to cast > them. Huh. Could I tap the Ventrue Headquarters for votes in the priscus sub-referendum? Play surprise influence? --Colin McGuigan

Colin McGuigan wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] nope =) for the moment, no cards allow you to gain vote in the prisci sub referendum except for gratiano's power. Even Matteus can"t play bewitching oration to gain votes in this sub referendum : it's different from the main referendum, that's all =)

Colin McGuigan wrote: > reyda wrote: >> If someone has an aditionnal vote in any referendum, he is free to cast >> them. > > Huh. Could I tap the Ventrue Headquarters for votes in the priscus > sub-referendum? Play surprise influence? No. The Ventrue Headquarters doesn't give any additional votes in the sub-referendum It gives three votes in the main referendum. If you use it, you are free to cast the votes you gain in the main referendum in the main referendum. (card text) Likewise Surprise Influence. (card text) Only Prisci votes can be used in the sub-referendum. [6.3.3] Other votes can be used in the sub-referendum if allowed by explicit card text (like Gratiano's). [1.4] [ quoted text not captured ]

It's more or less the same deck, but tweaking a bit more pool gain with more ConBoon and replacing all oubliettes for darkness within. Added a few shadow strikes, as their superior is an aid from bats, and grants an additional maneuver. Also, see that non-titled vamps are eager to turno into anarchs, so they may also call the free stakes vote, if lucita's don't show up on initial crypt. Tobias is as good as lucita calling the vote, as should be both Talley and Aurora with a sanguine instruction. And a 4 blood FSR is a fair amount. For this facts, has dropped a copy of Lucita for another copy of gratiano, as his votes might come really handy. Deck Name: Lucita's Rant Created By: Tom Description: Crypt: (14 cards, Min: 12, Max: 32, Avg: 6,00) ---------------------------------------------- 3 Lucita cel DOM FOR OBT pot 8, Lasombra 3 Gratiano DOM obf OBT pot 8, Lasombra, Priscus 1 Tobias Smith DOM OBT pot PRE 7, Lasombra 1 Talley aus dom OBT POT 6, Lasombra 1 Aurora Van Brande dom for OBT pot 6, Lasombra 1 Guido Lucciano dom obf OBT 5, Lasombra 1 Ramiro dom obt vic 4, Lasombra 1 Ignacio dom obt pot 4, Lasombra 1 Mitchell obt pot 2, Pander 1 Aaron Duggan obt 2, Lasombra Library: (90 cards) ------------------- Master (16 cards) 1 Elysian Fields 1 Fame 1 Fear of Mekhet 1 Hungry Coyote, The 2 Path of Night, The 1 Political Hunting Ground 4 Power Structure 2 Society of Leopold 1 Strained Vitae Supply 2 Zoning Board Action (25 cards) 8 Govern the Unaligned 4 Sanguine Instruction 12 Shadow Twin 1 Summon the Abyss Action Modifier (10 cards) 2 Foreshadowing Destruction 6 Shadow Play 2 Shroud of Night Political Action (12 cards) 4 Consanguineous Boon 8 Free States Rant Reaction (10 cards) 6 Deflection 4 Wake with Evening's Freshness Combat (16 cards) 8 Darkness Within 2 Entombment 2 Shadow Body 4 Shadow Strike Equipment (1 cards) 1 Catacombs Comments welcome, as usual. Smiling Tom