Actually, I have 2 questions:
1. Both cards say that during the first round of combat the opposing
minion cannot use any strikes. Does this mean that they simply stand there
and do nothing, or are they allowed to use their hand to strike? I believe
that it means that the minion cannot use a card to strike, but a friend
insists that they aren't allowed to do anything.
2. Hidden Lurker, being an action, can be blocked (correct?). Since the card
says that the "blocking minion" cannot use any strikes, does this mean that
ANY blocker may not use strikes, or only the blocker with whom the Lurker
intended to enter combat with is prevented from using strikes (since the new
blocker makes the action unsuccessful)?
James Engman <eng...@okstate.edu> wrote:
> Actually, I have 2 questions:>1. Both cards say that during the first round of combat the opposing
>minion cannot use any strikes. Does this mean that they simply stand there
>and do nothing, or are they allowed to use their hand to strike? I believe
>that it means that the minion cannot use a card to strike, but a friend
>insists that they aren't allowed to do anything.
I believe its no strikes, but the biggest advantage is to keep them
from playing a strike ends card.
>2. Hidden Lurker, being an action, can be blocked (correct?). Since the card
>says that the "blocking minion" cannot use any strikes, does this mean that
>ANY blocker may not use strikes, or only the blocker with whom the Lurker
>intended to enter combat with is prevented from using strikes (since the new
>blocker makes the action unsuccessful)?
The text is misleading because they just reused the text on both cards
with a switch on the word.
If the action is blocked then its effects do not take place and combat
is as normal. The question I had with that card was originally could
you enter combat with a minion you just fought even if he didn't block
to get in the fight. For example using a Bums Rush or Wynns special
ability. In other words do they have to block a previous action and
so allowing your actions to be twarted is the only way to use this
card. Tom said no, that it plays regardless of how you have the
first fight. Since unlike fast reaction it can be blocked this is a
slightly weaker card already.
Rory
In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.96032...@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>,
James Engman <eng...@okstate.edu> wrote:
> Actually, I have 2 questions:
>
>1. Both cards say that during the first round of combat the opposing
>minion cannot use any strikes. Does this mean that they simply stand there
>and do nothing, or are they allowed to use their hand to strike? I believe
>that it means that the minion cannot use a card to strike, but a friend
>insists that they aren't allowed to do anything.
Your friend is right. "No strikes" precludes "hand strike". The victim
can maneuver and/or press and/or prevent damage - but he cannot strike
(nor can he use a maneuver which commits him to a strike - like from a
gun or Aid from Bats, etc.)
>2. Hidden Lurker, being an action, can be blocked (correct?). Since the card
>says that the "blocking minion" cannot use any strikes, does this mean that
>ANY blocker may not use strikes, or only the blocker with whom the Lurker
>intended to enter combat with is prevented from using strikes (since the new
>blocker makes the action unsuccessful)?
As an action (misprinted, but the RTR upholds the misprint), it can be
blocked. The "Blockng Minion" refers to the target, not the blocker of
"Hidden Lurker" - all actions refer only to successful actions unless
they have an "If this action is blocked..." text. Since Hidden Lurker
wasn't meant to be an action (and therefore should not be blockable),
naturally it doesn't have this text.
Tom: Question - since I have to tap to take an action in the first place,
how can I tap the Hidden Lurker vampire again as the action resolves?
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James Engman <eng...@okstate.edu> wrote:
> Actually, I have 2 questions:
>
>1. Both cards say that during the first round of combat the opposing
>minion cannot use any strikes. Does this mean that they simply stand there
>and do nothing, or are they allowed to use their hand to strike? I believe
>that it means that the minion cannot use a card to strike, but a friend
>insists that they aren't allowed to do anything.
Peace James,
The opposing minion may not strike, which includes hand strikes and dodges.
They can maneuver, press, or prevent damage with For or equipment.
>2. Hidden Lurker, being an action, can be blocked (correct?). Since the card
>says that the "blocking minion" cannot use any strikes, does this mean that
>ANY blocker may not use strikes, or only the blocker with whom the Lurker
>intended to enter combat with is prevented from using strikes (since the new
>blocker makes the action unsuccessful)?
The second block(er) makes the HL action unsuccessful, so the card text is
ignored.
Nil carborundum illigitimi,
James R. McClure Jr.
The OS/2 Apostle
<insert disclaimer here>
>>2. Hidden Lurker, being an action, can be blocked
(correct?). Since the card
>>says that the "blocking minion" cannot use any strikes,
does this mean that
>>ANY blocker may not use strikes, or only the blocker with
whom the Lurker
>>intended to enter combat with is prevented from using
strikes (since the new
>>blocker makes the action unsuccessful)?>
>The second block(er) makes the HL action unsuccessful, so
the card text is
>ignored.
It's worth noting that Hidden Lurker is often played as a
house rule as an action modifier, thus making it a useful
card.
Peter
"I'll just say my secret magic word..."