no repeat action rule

reading the NRA rule i understand that the rule don't forbid one of my minion to play a superior Govern the Unalign then untap using Freak Drive, then play the inferior version of Govern the unalign Tzimiscelord, Primogen, Paris

On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Sylvain Gogel wrote: > reading the NRA rule > i understand that the rule don't forbid one of my minion > to play a superior Govern the Unalign then > untap using Freak Drive, then play the inferior version of > Govern the unalign Hmm.... it always used to, as I recall, but.... "A given minion may not repeat an action, by action type, in a single turn (whether the first action was successful or not). The defined "action types" are the ones defined in the rulebook: bleed, hunt, equip, employ retainer, recruit ally, political action, leave torpor, rescue a vampire from torpor, and diablerize a vampire in torpor. "If an action card is used to perform one of these actions, that action is considered to be of that type. If it is not one of those actions (such as Bum's Rush), then it is a type of its own, by card name." By the text, the superior version is of type "Govern the Unaligned" whereas the inferior is of type "bleed". -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "Steve: Yeah, well that's one of the advantages of being a sad, lonely fairy, I guess. You get to learn how to be a spy." - Stephen Fry, Making History

James Coupe <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > Sylvain Gogel wrote: > > reading the NRA rule > > i understand that the rule don't forbid one of my minion > > to play a superior Govern the Unalign then > > untap using Freak Drive, then play the inferior version of > > Govern the unalign > > Hmm.... it always used to, as I recall, but.... It still does. Any "same action" is the same action type. So the normal GtU is a GtU action and a bleed action. The acting minion cannot perform another GtU action nor another bleed for the remainder of the turn. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <8vdnfm$idb$1...@s1.read.news.oleane.net>, "Sylvain Gogel" <syl...@cognition.fr> wrote: > reading the NRA rule > i understand that the rule don't forbid one of my minion > to play a superior Govern the Unalign then > untap using Freak Drive, then play the inferior version of > Govern the unalign Yes, it does prohibit playing Govern the Unaligned twice. It prohibits playing any action card twice by card name. First sentence, second paragraph. See the posts quoted here: Lasombra: http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=664453924 Check the tournament rules, in particular 6.4.1. No Repeat Actions here: http://www.white-wolf.com/VTES/veknRules.html for further clarification. "If an action card is used to perform one of these actions, that action is considered to be of that type." Under the tournament rules, you may not take an action provided by a card more than once per turn, regardless of the results of the action. Therefore, in a VEKN tournament, you may not Govern at basic, untap, and Govern at superior, on the same turn. LSJ: http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=683363186 The NRA rule works like this: during the resolution of an action (as in section 6.2.3 of the rulebook), the acting minion at that point (who may or may not be the minion who played the action card - the action may have been Masked) becomes unable to perform the same type of action again for the remainder of the turn. LSJ: http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=625729075 The "technical" term for "class" here is "type". Note: Bum's Rush is its own type by card name (so all Bum's Rushes are the same type, but are different from the "Ambush" type). However, non-typed actions allowed by cards in play (like Haven Uncovered) are types of their own, by the specific instance of the card in play. So entering combat via one Haven Uncovered is a different type of action than entering combat via a second Haven Uncovered. All of this is explained in the V:EKN Rules: 6.4.1. No Repeat Actions A given minion may not repeat an action, by action type, in a single turn (whether the first action was successful or not). The defined "action types" are the ones defined in the rulebook: bleed, hunt, equip, employ retainer, recruit ally, political action, leave torpor, rescue a vampire from torpor, and diablerize a vampire in torpor. If an action card is used to perform one of these actions, that action is considered to be of that type. If it is not one of those actions (such as Bum's Rush), then it is a type of its own, by card name. If a card in play is used to perform one of these actions, that action is considered to be of that type. If it is not one of these actions (such as "enter combat via Haven Uncovered"), then it is a type of its own, by specific instance of the card in play. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, LSJ wrote: > It still does. Any "same action" is the same action type. The wording I cited suggests that each action only has one type - either the defined action (bleed etc.), the card name (e.g. Pulse of the Canaille) or action by card name (e.g. action to burn this copy of Haven Uncovered), and that something is either a defined type (bleed) or another type, never both. [ quoted text not captured ]

James Coupe <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > LSJ wrote: > > It still does. Any "same action" is the same action type. > > The wording I cited suggests that each action only has one type - Yes, it does. But the fact remains that the NRA prevents a minion from taking the same action (in addition to preventing him from taking another action of the same type). Hopefully the V:EKN rules will get reworded a bit to rectify that oversight. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]