LSJ: Rules Questions

Can I use superior Bonding to give a non-bleed action +1 stealth? If I use an action modifier such as Lost in Crowds to give a vampire +1 stealth on, say, an 'equip' action, and then untap that vampire using Freak Drive, and then perform a Bleed action, does the vampire still have +1 stealth? Similarly, if my opponent plays a reaction card for +1 intercept, such as Enhanced Senses, attempts to block my equip action, and fails, does the vampire with enhanced senses still have +1 intercept for the rest of the turn? -davey!

davey! hathorn wrote: > > Can I use superior Bonding to give a non-bleed action +1 stealth? No, since you can't give +1 bleed to a non-bleed action. > If I use an action modifier such as Lost in Crowds to give a vampire +1 > stealth on, say, an 'equip' action, and then untap that vampire using > Freak Drive, and then perform a Bleed action, does the vampire still > have +1 stealth? No. The first action ends before the second action starts, and all action modifiers played on one action discontinue their effects when that action ends. > Similarly, if my opponent plays a reaction card for +1 intercept, such > as Enhanced Senses, attempts to block my equip action, and fails, does > the vampire with enhanced senses still have +1 intercept for the rest of > the turn? No, for the same reason as above. Bonuses gained from reaction cards and action modifier cards only last for the current action. James -- James Hamblin ham...@math.wisc.edu V:EKN FAQ Maintainer http://www.math.wisc.edu/~hamblin/faq.html "We _do_ kill people... that's sort of our raison d'etre" -- Spike

In article <35DEDB40...@math.wisc.edu>, James Hamblin <ham...@math.wisc.edu> wrote: >davey! hathorn wrote: >> >> Can I use superior Bonding to give a non-bleed action +1 stealth? > >No, since you can't give +1 bleed to a non-bleed action. D'oh! Really? I thought it simply increased the base bleed of the given vampire, not the action itself... And anyway, is there somewhere in the rules it actually says you can't give +1 bleed to a non-bleed action? Certainly changes the way we've been playing around here, although strangely I've never made any decks with bonding. -- /\ Jasper Phillips /VVVVVVVVVVVVVV|~"~"~"~"~"~"----------........____ jaz j^^^^^^^^^^^^^\/"~"~"~"~-----------........._____ ~"~--. * http://www.engr.orst.edu/~philljas/ "~"~'--`

On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, davey! hathorn wrote: > Can I use superior Bonding to give a non-bleed action +1 stealth? No. > If I use an action modifier such as Lost in Crowds to give a vampire +1 > stealth on, say, an 'equip' action, and then untap that vampire using > Freak Drive, and then perform a Bleed action, does the vampire still > have +1 stealth? No. Action modidifiers modify the current action, not the vampire. Even if the acting vampire changes, via Mask of 1000 Faces, the action modifier will remain in effect. > Similarly, if my opponent plays a reaction card for +1 intercept, such > as Enhanced Senses, attempts to block my equip action, and fails, does > the vampire with enhanced senses still have +1 intercept for the rest of > the turn? No. Reaction cards modify the current action of another minion. Lupus Australis ____ ____ \ \----/ / |()__()| __\ __ /__ / __\()/__ \ |/ \==/ \| | || |

Jasper Phillips wrote: > > In article <35DEDB40...@math.wisc.edu>, > James Hamblin <ham...@math.wisc.edu> wrote: > >davey! hathorn wrote: > >> > >> Can I use superior Bonding to give a non-bleed action +1 stealth? > > > >No, since you can't give +1 bleed to a non-bleed action. > > D'oh! Really? I thought it simply increased the base bleed of the given > vampire, not the action itself... > > And anyway, is there somewhere in the rules it actually says you can't > give +1 bleed to a non-bleed action? > > Certainly changes the way we've been playing around here, although > strangely I've never made any decks with bonding. Well, I am 100% certain that this is the correct rule, but poking around in LSJ's site, I couldn't find it. LSJ? In any case, after confirmation from LSJ, I'll put this in the FAQ, since this question seems to come up periodically. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, James Hamblin wrote: > Jasper Phillips wrote: > > > > And anyway, is there somewhere in the rules it actually says you can't > > give +1 bleed to a non-bleed action? > > Well, I am 100% certain that this is the correct rule, but poking around > in LSJ's site, I couldn't find it. LSJ? Find the Rules Outline (V:tES Complete Rules Reference (Version 2.12)). At the end of Section III (How to Perform Actions): "Only Action Modifiers appropriate to the Action may be played. eg., you may not use Bonding on a non-Bleed Action. [RTR]" [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.980822152943.10820A-100000@amanda>, Lupus Australis <jbwh...@dorsai.org> wrote: >On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, James Hamblin wrote: > >> Jasper Phillips wrote: >> > >> > And anyway, is there somewhere in the rules it actually says you can't >> > give +1 bleed to a non-bleed action? >> >> Well, I am 100% certain that this is the correct rule, but poking around >> in LSJ's site, I couldn't find it. LSJ? > >Find the Rules Outline (V:tES Complete Rules Reference (Version 2.12)). > >At the end of Section III (How to Perform Actions): > >"Only Action Modifiers appropriate to the Action may be played. eg., you >may not use Bonding on a non-Bleed Action. [RTR]" Well, if it's ruled upon specifically, that's rather hard to argue. Still, we'd just always assumed that it _was_ appropiate if you need more stealth. [ quoted text not captured ]

davey! hathorn wrote: > > Can I use superior Bonding to give a non-bleed action +1 stealth? No. You cannot play bleed modifiers on non-bleed actions. > If I use an action modifier such as Lost in Crowds to give a vampire +1 > stealth on, say, an 'equip' action, and then untap that vampire using > Freak Drive, and then perform a Bleed action, does the vampire still > have +1 stealth? No. Action modifiers apply to the current action only. > Similarly, if my opponent plays a reaction card for +1 intercept, such > as Enhanced Senses, attempts to block my equip action, and fails, does > the vampire with enhanced senses still have +1 intercept for the rest of > the turn? No. Reaction cards apply to the current action only. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Searchable database of official card text, errata, and rulings: http://deckserver.net/cgi-deckserver/rulemonger.cgi/powersearch