Jon: Timing Question

How are timing issues resolved for Alexandria's special ability, and the Louve? I believe Hiedelberg has already been ruled on, no? For example, can you tap someone in response to a declared action? If so, what happens to the action card, if any? Can you tap someone in response to an attempt to block? In response to a reaction card they play? Again, if so, what happens to the card? Do you treat it like delaying tactics? Thanks, Larrx...

ram...@usa.pipeline.com(Larrx...) writes: >How are timing issues resolved for >Alexandria's special ability, and the >Louve? I believe Hiedelberg has >already been ruled on, no? Yes, HC may not be used to transfer to or from a minion in combat (errata). >For example, can you tap someone >in response to a declared action? No, since they will already be tapped. You could untap them, however. :-) >If so, what happens to the action >card, if any? Moot. >Can you tap someone in response >to an attempt to block? In response In theory, yes. This will prevent them from playing further reaction cards (like intercept), but will not undo their potential block. (all theory, from the mind of the RuleMonger :-) Alexandra should (IMHO) get "reasonable" errata as to not using her ability during an action - only between actions of during other phases (not the minion phase). Jon? Care to pass this one by the RT? >to a reaction card they play? Again, No. You may tap them, but this will not undo their reaction card. There is no "response stack" in Jyhad - mayhaps you're thinking of that other game? -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Cats teach us that not http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | everything in nature has Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | a function.

I had to pipe in a little more here... On 25 Oct 1996, Larrx... wrote: > How are timing issues resolved for > Alexandria's special ability, and the > Louve? I believe Hiedelberg has > already been ruled on, no? While it has been ruled on (not usable during combat), I think it still raises issues of clarity on exact timing effects in the game. (see below) > For example, can you tap someone > in response to a declared action? > If so, what happens to the action > card, if any? While officially, they are already tapped, what does it mean when you want to tap them on their turn? Tim declares he wants to bleed with Smudge. Alex wants to tap Smudge but can't (current Meth goes first). Alex then wants to tap Dimple. Tim acts with Dimple (current Meth goes first). I believe this to be the case... > Can you tap someone in response > to an attempt to block? If you can, what does this mean? You act, they say they want to block, you say "Ah, Ah, Ah. I'm the current Methuselah, I do my things first. Tap it." Is this good, or is it even what is intended. If it doesn't work as above (as I believe is current), does the game then become a race to say what you are doing before the other person can think. That is the current alternative. > In response > to a reaction card they play? Again, > if so, what happens to the card? > Do you treat it like delaying tactics? All of this is a bit murky. IMHO, the easiest way to fix all of the timing issues (and rerule Heidelburg to subsume it under this ruling), is to make it something akin to: Effects from permanents may be played between actions, or as directed in explicit card text. Improvements? Comments? [Reply-to:sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu] @ The Corrupter - Adrian Lee Sullivan @ GAT/CS/WS R+++* r(+)>++ # Gamer Coffee-Addict Scripter Author # P++ C(+++) USX+ N++ !w @#$ Comments ? sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu $#@ X++ b++(+++) tv(+)> @#$ <http://cslab.uwlax.edu/~sulli_al/jyhad> $#@ e+* PS++@ PE@ z*++?

ARGH!! I smell an Icy Manipulator [M:tG] here !! Timing questions, YUCK! Sounds like Jyhad is turning into M:tG II. Ah well, we should have seen this coming after they renamed it V:tES. It's probably the ':' that does it. Hmm, come to think of it, most games with a ':' in it suck... PLease don't let Jyhad join them. -- //The Doctor. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | GCS -d+ H++>+++ s:++>+:+ g+ p2 !au a->+++ w++ v+(---) | | C+++>+ UHL++ P?>+ L+ !3 E N++ K- W(---) !M !V po+ | | Y t(+) 5>+ !j R+ G++@ tv+(++) b+>++ D+ B? e+ u+** | | h+* f? !r--- n---- !y+ | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+