Pander Voting

I have not yet seen the powerful/popular Pander voter in action...but I have a question: Do Pander get to vote ON the "Legacy of Pander" or do they only get votes as a result of this initiative passing? If they don't get to vote ON the "Legacy", I don't see how it ever succeeds. Thanks...

In article <dgWB5.258$rO1....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, [ quoted text not captured ] Legacy of Pander Type: Political Action Prerequisite: Sabbat vampire Card Text: Worth 1 Vote. Called by any Sabbat vampire at +1 stealth. If this vote is successful, put this card in play. Each non-titled Pander has one additional vote. This card may be burned by a vote called by any Sabbat vampire as a +1 stealth action. Each pander gets one vote, as per card text. DH Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

[ quoted text not captured ] They "get to vote" ON the Legacy referendum if they have any votes, sure. But Legacy of Pander doesn't provide the same sort of vote-bestowing mechanism that, say, Gangrel Justicar or Investiture do. So unless a Pander has votes from some existing source (a prior Legacy of Pander, a Crusade, Legendary Vampire, etc.) or can generate votes (Bewitching Oration, Alamut), he cannot vote. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] > They "get to vote" ON the Legacy referendum if they have any votes, sure. > > But Legacy of Pander doesn't provide the same sort of vote-bestowing > mechanism that, say, Gangrel Justicar or Investiture do. > > So unless a Pander has votes from some existing source (a prior Legacy > of Pander, a Crusade, Legendary Vampire, etc.) or can generate votes > (Bewitching Oration, Alamut), he cannot vote. The answer to the original poster's question, then, is (in most Pander decks I know of, including mine) that the Sabbat vampire which calls the vote must have presense and use an action modifier which provides votes. The three I know of are Bewitching Oration, Business Pressure, and Awe. Bewitching Oration is popular, useful, and easy to get. Business Pressure is harder to get and not real useful since you a) have to spend your pool to pass the vote; and b) it allows all the other players at the table to spend *their* pool to stop you. This is not a recommended tactic. The third, Awe, is a pretty good card but it's a rare in the hideously expensive Sabbat expansion and thus extremely hard to find (a single one, let alone several). This is a card I'm hoping will be reprinted in Sabbat Wars (and it seems an excellent candidate, IMHO). Also, Legacy of Pander, as a political card, provides one vote by itself. If you're playing non-VEKN rules (for instance, NJL rules), you can toss other vote cards for more votes. And it's useful to go bleed your prey and get the edge before you call it so that you can toss it for a vote in the pinch - and whoever had it before can't! In all of these tactics, it's important to get the LoP card passed *early*, before titled vampires start getting brought in! Once one or two of these show up, the hassle of passing a LoP (and keeping it on the table, once passed) gets exponentially harder. Fred

Frederick Scott wrote: > hoping will be reprinted in Sabbat Wars (and it seems an excellent candidate, > IMHO). There's only one 's' in "Sabbat War", BTW. :-) > Also, Legacy of Pander, as a political card, provides one vote by itself. If > you're playing non-VEKN rules (for instance, NJL rules), you can toss other The no-vote-push rule is not a V:EKN rule - its just a part of the official rules, like the rule that says the same minion cannot play the same action modifier twice in one action. But, as you note, house rules can override any of the official rules. [ quoted text not captured ]

panders vote pretty well... see this killing machine (http://www.vampire.cz/baliky/fin_pand.htm) (2nd in summer Prague tournament, not 1st only due to great, great misforune). in such a deck 98% of time required politics + modifiers + able vamps comes into play 1st or 2nd round. [ quoted text not captured ]