Torn Signpost and a Vampire's base Strength

I'm sure I've seen this in a post before but I can't find it for the life of me. When playing Torn Signpost on a vampire who's card text says strength + x Does Torn signpost cancel out the + x part of the text? I would say yes, since TS says "[pot] This vampire has a strength of 2 for the remainder of the combat" and "[POT] this vampire has a strength of 3 for the remainder of the combat."

bernard....@gmail.com wrote: > I'm sure I've seen this in a post before but I can't find it for the > life of me. > > When playing Torn Signpost on a vampire who's card text says strength + > x Does Torn signpost cancel out the + x part of the text? No. > I would say yes, since TS says "[pot] This vampire has a strength of 2 > for the remainder of the combat" and "[POT] this vampire has a strength > of 3 for the remainder of the combat." The +X is added to the minion's strength, whatever it is. -- That is my story, be it bitter or be it sweet. Keep a little and let a little come back to me. LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > bernard....@gmail.com wrote: > > I'm sure I've seen this in a post before but I can't find it for the > > life of me. > > > > When playing Torn Signpost on a vampire who's card text says strength + > > x Does Torn signpost cancel out the + x part of the text? > > No. > > > I would say yes, since TS says "[pot] This vampire has a strength of 2 > > for the remainder of the combat" and "[POT] this vampire has a strength > > of 3 for the remainder of the combat." > > The +X is added to the minion's strength, whatever it is. > > -- Just to illustrate: Nigel, the Shunned (POT) gets into combat. He plays Torn Signpost. (base Strength is set at 3) He plays Increased Strength. (strength +2 for a POT strike) He plays Immortal Grapple. He strikes with Undead Strength. (strike at +2 damage) Nigel therefore deals 3 (base Str) + 2 (Undead Str) + 2 (Increased Str) = 7 damage. Needless to say, it goes nicely with Disarm. :D OW

> Nigel, the Shunned (POT) gets into combat. > He plays Torn Signpost. (base Strength is set at 3) > He plays Increased Strength. (strength +2 for a POT strike) > He plays Immortal Grapple. > He strikes with Undead Strength. (strike at +2 damage) > > Nigel therefore deals > 3 (base Str) + 2 (Undead Str) + 2 (Increased Str) = 7 damage. Increased Strength does not actually increase strength (ironically). It just adds to the damage of potence strikes.

[ quoted text not captured ] Bernard: the old version of the torn sign post said that the minion get 3 of strength, but the new ones say that the minion get +2 of strength. I'd play a lazverinus deck with 10 posts :)

> Bernard: the old version of the torn sign post said that the minion get > 3 of strength, but the new ones say that the minion get +2 of strength. > I'd play a lazverinus deck with 10 posts :) > Torn Signpost still says 2/3. Otherwise, they'd have to change the text to only have an effect once per combat.

So just to confirm. Enkidu has strenth +2. He plays a Torn Signpost that sets his strength to 3 but because he has strength +2 his strength is effectively 5 + any strike cards he may play assuming they do +x strength damge?

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. A good way of remembering this is that all vampires, by default, have a base strength of 1. Torn Signpost temporarily changes the vampire's base strength to 2 at inferior, or 3 at superior. You then add any additional bonuses, including the bonus given by a vampires special ability text. Doug