(LSJ) Vidal Jarbeaux + Walk through Arcadia

Does Vidal (or Mata Hari) get the damage if the flipcoin comes up tail? My thoughts were that he wouldnt get the damage because he only met the requirements to play the card, but is no Malkavian Antitribu. But I could stand corrected. Walk through Arcadia Type: Action Modifier Requires: Malkavian antitribu Cost: 1 blood Flip a coin. If it comes up heads, this action is unblockable. If it comes up tails, the Malkavian antitribu takes one damage. This damage is not preventable. Vidal Jarbeaux Clan: Toreador (group 5) Capacity: 8 Disciplines: PRE aus cel obf pot Camarilla: Vidal can meet the clan, sect, or non-infernal vampire trait (e.g., anarch) requirement to play any card. He can meet a given requirement only once each game. +1 bleed.

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. They fake the requirement until the action modified is resolved. There's a ruling about Raking Talons played by Mata Hari (she gets agg hand strikes for the whole combat) that I can't find that shows it works this way.

[ quoted text not captured ] Err... "until the action modifieR is resolved", of course.

floppyzedolfin <floppyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Oct 13, 11:41�am, eRol <der.e...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> Does Vidal (or Mata Hari) get the damage if the flipcoin comes up >> tail? > >Yes. They fake the requirement until the action modified is resolved. >There's a ruling about Raking Talons played by Mata Hari (she gets agg >hand strikes for the whole combat) that I can't find that shows it >works this way. Not quite that way. When you fake a requirement ("play X as if..."), that specific card sees you as that requirement for: - playing the card - resolving the card - a lingering effect that does NOT depend on the card being in play. It doesn't see you as being that requirement for effects that depend on the card going in play. ("The X with this card..." and similar.) http://www.thelasombra.com/rules/RTR7-7-7.txt And note that you don't actually gain the faked requirement for the purpose of other cards. You don't actually have that discipline. You haven't actually changed clans. Other effects/cards won't see you with the faked requirement. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

On Oct 13, 7:23 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 13, 11:41 am, eRol <der.e...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > Does Vidal (or Mata Hari) get the damage if the flipcoin comes up > > tail? > > > My thoughts were that he wouldnt get the damage because he only met > > the requirements to play the card, but is no Malkavian Antitribu. But > > I could stand corrected. He takes the damage, precisely because he is playing the card as a Malk antitribu (and the damage is part of the effect of playing the card). > > > Walk through Arcadia > > Type: Action Modifier > > Requires: Malkavian antitribu > > Cost: 1 blood > > Flip a coin. If it comes up heads, this action is unblockable. If it > > comes up tails, the Malkavian antitribu takes one damage. This damage > > is not preventable. > > > Vidal Jarbeaux > > Clan: Toreador (group 5) > > Capacity: 8 > > Disciplines: PRE aus cel obf pot > > Camarilla: Vidal can meet the clan, sect, or non-infernal vampire > > trait (e.g., anarch) requirement to play any card. He can meet a given > > requirement only once each game. +1 bleed. > > Yes. They fake the requirement until the action modified is resolved. Not quite. He fakes the requirement for the play of that card. > There's a ruling about Raking Talons played by Mata Hari (she gets agg > hand strikes for the whole combat) that I can't find that shows it > works this way. Raking's agg damage is a "lingering" effect, so not quite parallel to Walk. It used to be that the lingering effects wouldn't apply to the faker. That changed in RTR 7/7/7 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/f5ba0a7b96c43ff7 The RFD regarding that change is around here: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/03936c6504510308 esp. in http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/8ba90dfb7aefa979