New preview: No Secrets from the Magaji

Action +1 stealth action. Requires a ready magaji. Put this card on this magaji and untap him or her. The magaji with this card gets +1 intercept when attempting to block vampires. If this magaji is tapped, he or she may attempt to block a vampire as if untapped. Burn this card if this magaji attempts to block a vampire but is not successful. A vampire may have only one No Secrets from the Magaji. Magaji: a non-unique 2-vote title. Another new rule: "Title-bearing cards" (i.e Praxis Seizure) are now placed *on* the vampire, and burned when he loses the title (or removed from game when the controller is ousted, etc etc), as we've been doing intuitively for years. Two questions: 1: About the Title Cards rule: how does this interact with Regent? Regent is a card that gives you a title. Its card text says to burn it if the vampire gets a *new* title, but not if he loses the Cardinal title (by changing sect or whatever). Would Regent now burn if the title is lost? I assume that this card doesn't fall under the new rule, but I just want to make sure. 2: About this new card: The magaji with this card may block as if untapped, but not play reaction cards (i.e. intercept) while tapped. Is that correct?

Jozxyqk wrote: > Action > +1 stealth action. Requires a ready magaji. > Put this card on this magaji and untap him > or her. The magaji with this card gets > +1 intercept when attempting to block > vampires. If this magaji is tapped, he or she > may attempt to block a vampire as if > untapped. Burn this card if this magaji > attempts to block a vampire but is not > successful. A vampire may have only one > No Secrets from the Magaji. > ><snip> > > 2: About this new card: > The magaji with this card may block as if untapped, but not play > reaction cards (i.e. intercept) while tapped. Is that correct? While IANLSJ, I think you're right. After all, +1 intercept and the ability to block as if untapped is already enough for zero-to-1 stealth environments. All you need would be a media location (WMRH, Rumor Mill, etc.) to give you an additional intercept and you're set. Block away! Just my two cents. OW

note that 2 laibon clans have ANI as clan discipline for permacept. and other have AUS, that grants super bowl. i think that "block fail" will be necesary for political decks.

[ quoted text not captured ] Why? It hasn't been necessary so far, and there have been vampires that have not just one or the other but both ANI and AUS in the past.. -John Flournoy

cause a minion w "no secrets..." and a single .44 could wreck a, for example, toreador vote deck that relly on the +1 stealth from PA. now, if the same minion w "no secrets.." and .44 have 3 ravens or a bowl (the fact that a minion dont "waste" his turn while recruit/equip cause can block tapped is too fine) can block a whole bunch of stealth-bleed/vote without lost a single blood normally (maneuver long, shot). scary...or a warm temptation :D

[ quoted text not captured ] "Block fails" cards, while certainly good in this situation, will not be required. Take the Toreador from your example above. An Aching Beauty will make them think twice about always blocking and if you are blocked, a Majesty to untap in the combat will let your Toreador stay untapped to block your predator or bounce his bleed. Arm your Toreador with a gun via Concealed Weapon and you have a war of attrition going as long as they want to continue to block. Toreador Grand Ball will also keep them from interfering. This game has many answers to many problems. Later, ~Rehlow

"This game has many answers to many problems. " Your goal: stop the Pred's political actions. Pred goal: Play lots of political actions. You block the actions continuously with one minion. They Majesty. Your goal accomplished. Their goal failed. Some answers are wrong.

Mr_Wyrm (AKA Pentex) wrote: > cause a minion w "no secrets..." and a single .44 could wreck a, for > example, toreador vote deck that relly on the +1 stealth from PA. Sure could. So could Helena with a .44 and a Sport Bike, or a couple of intercept locations, or some inherent +1 intercept vampires with some wakes.. there have always been lots of ways to foil decks relying solely on inherent +1 stealth actions, which is why many of those decks either include stealth or some combat to discourage blocks. > now, if the same minion w "no secrets.." and .44 have 3 ravens or a > bowl (the fact that a minion dont "waste" his turn while recruit/equip > cause can block tapped is too fine) can block a whole bunch of > stealth-bleed/vote without lost a single blood normally (maneuver long, > shot). Sure. Although the No Secrets and Bowl actions can be blocked, and so can the .44s and Raven Spies unless you're _also_ packing concealed/pack alpha.. But again, a vote deck that has no answer (including 'so I play some combat cards')for 'someone who can repeatedly block me with +1 intercept' is already having serious problems (or, as some on this newsgroup might say, 'nutpunching') without the existence of this new card. -John Flournoy

Forgot to note that if the Toreador isn't actually putting the blocker in topor, replinishing his blood is simple enough. (Hiedelburgh, Blood Doll.) The target must either die or the attached card burned, else the prey has a field day.

[ quoted text not captured ] Not to mention, the Toreador in question could play Crocodile's Tongue (okay, this is like "block fails"), Alacrity, Siren's Lure and Missing Voice at [cel], or can use the Creepshow Casino. With FOR/CEL, they can use Forced March for stealth. Sure some of that costs lots of blood, but you can get that all back when the vote passes by 700.

[ quoted text not captured ] Such as yours. If your predator's only goal is to play lots of political actions, to the exclusion of all else, then yes, maybe your predator loses. However, political decks can do a lot more than vote, and they don't have to devote 30 card slots to it. See also concealing in guns and/or Tor Grand Ball and/or Majesty+Bleed and/or Aching Beauty for the Toreador deck in question. The true goal of a predator is to oust his/her prey. If that is done by taking pool damage from the minion who is blocked (via any of the above), then that predator has moved definitively towards his/her goal. There are of course more subtle ways to achieve your goal, but I'm not sure you're ready to hear them yet. Ankur Gupta Prince of West Lafayette

of course, we can estay all day long talking about rock-paper-scisors :D IMO this card it's very good, but not broken. i like it and will be a good reason to play laibon clans, same as fee stakes or undue influence are good reasons to play anarchs. a couple more of cards that require laibon/laibon-title and i must try a disciplenless laibon deck.

> But again, a vote deck that has no answer (including 'so I play some > combat cards')for 'someone who can repeatedly block me with +1 > intercept' is already having serious problems (or, as some on this > newsgroup might say, 'nutpunching') without the existence of this new > card. I think the biggest thing about No Secrets from the Magaji is not particularly anti-vote tech, but anti-weenie tech. Voters will (or should) have a variety of ways to get to referendum and pass. Weenies (and possibly weenie voters) use a vast amount of actions to overwhelm their prey. Weenie decks fear Atonement, but at least that has a significant cost (2 blood, low cap, tap.) Depending on the availability of Magaji, No Secrets from the Magaji seems like the strongest anti-weenie tech thus far. Ira

Jozxyqk wrote: > 1: About the Title Cards rule: how does this interact with Regent? > Regent is a card that gives you a title. Its card text says to burn it > if the vampire gets a *new* title, but not if he loses the Cardinal > title (by changing sect or whatever). Would Regent now burn if the > title is lost? I assume that this card doesn't fall under the new rule, > but I just want to make sure. I doubt if Regent will show up in the pre-release tournaments, so I'll shelve this until we have the actual rules and cards to discuss. > 2: About this new card: > The magaji with this card may block as if untapped, but not play > reaction cards (i.e. intercept) while tapped. Is that correct? NSftM doesn't grant the ability to play reaction cards while tapped, correct. -- That is my story, be it bitter or be it sweet. Keep a little and let a little come back to me. LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Mr_Wyrm (AKA Pentex) wrote: > of course, we can estay all day long talking about rock-paper-scisors > :D > > IMO this card it's very good, but not broken. i like it and will be a > good reason to play laibon clans, same as fee stakes or undue influence > are good reasons to play anarchs. > Mostly, this card is not broken because of the plethora of block-fails cards. One block-fails, and your No Secrets is gone. Even just a little more stealth than you can handle, or a Croc Tongue that you can't or don't want to pay for, and poof. On the other hand, the card is free and lets you untap after you get it, so it's really like "semi-transient" or "semi-permanent" intercept. It's the Laibon answer to 2nd Tradition, and to me, seems to be about on par with 2T - possibly a little bit better.