Faceless Night Question (bit of a corner case)

Minion A Bleeds minion B has a sports bike and attempts to block. Minion A plays Elder Impersonation at superior. Now minion C attempts to block. Minion A now plays Faceless Night at superior do both minion B and C tap?

>Minion A Bleeds minion B has a sports bike and attempts to block. Minion A >plays Elder Impersonation at superior. Now minion C attempts to block. >Minion A now plays Faceless Night at superior do both minion B and C tap? Yes, both minions will eventually be tapped. From: LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) Subject: Re: [Q] Elder Impersonation + Faceless Night Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad View this article only Date: 2001-12-02 17:52:31 PST bingotclown wrote: > > I'm not sure about the timing of these cards > > If a minion is blocked and plays Faceless Night (sup) and the blocking > minion increases his/her intercept, can I then play Elder Impersonation > (sup). If that is the case then is the blocking minion tapped or untapped. If by "is blocked" you mean "is acting and another minion attempts to block", then: Yes. Tapped. Halcyan 2

> >Minion A Bleeds minion B has a sports bike and attempts to block. Minion A > >plays Elder Impersonation at superior. Now minion C attempts to block. > >Minion A now plays Faceless Night at superior do both minion B and C tap? > > Yes, both minions will eventually be tapped. The text you quote doesn't cover the same situation. Situation 1: Minion A: Declares Action Minion B: Attempts Block Minion A: Plays Faceless Night at OBF Minion B: Plays Spirit's Touch at aus Minion A: Plays Elder Impersonation at OBF, block fails per card text. Faceless night is, at the moment the block fails, modifying the action, so the blocker is tapped. This situation is pretty cut and dried, and is the order of play in the text you quote. This question changes order of play: Minion A: Declares Action Minion B: Attempts Block Minion A: Plays Elder Impersonation at OBF, block fails per card text Minion C: Attempts block Minion A: Plays Faceless Night at OBF. Minion C cannot generate intercept - block fails. Minion C is tapped, that's a no-brainer. What about minion B? The block had already failed before Faceless Night was played -- he was no longer part of the blocking process. Is he affected by future action modifiers? Do action modifiers that affect blocking minions have a retroactive effect? The situation is not nearly as cut and dried. My instinct tells me no, Minion B is not tapped - he's out of the equation by the time the card is played. Of course, my instinct is often wrong, but still, the fact that he opted out BEFORE the card was played indicates that he shouldn't be tapped. Fanboy

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. The minion currently attempting to block when Faceless Night is played and all minions attempting to block after it has been played are tapped by it (if played at superior, of course). The minions who had attempted to block before (and whose attempts are not "active" when) FN is played are not affected. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/