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Contradicting card text

6 messages from 6 participants · 31 May 2001
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Potato

Here's one for y'all The scenario: I take an action, tapping my Storm Sewers as I do so. The action gets blocked by Cailean. My query: Does my Storm Sewers "keep it close" take precedence over Caileans choice of range? CARD TEXT Storm Sewers: Tap as you declare an action. If the action is blocked, don't choose range during the combat; the combat is at close range. Cailean: Each round of combat, before range is determined, Cailean can set the range for that round. If he does so, skip the Determine Range step for that round. Any takers?

Skippy

"Potato" <Potato...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7abfcf51.0105...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] My guess would be that since SS doesn't list a condition further than the action being blocked, it would seem that since there is no Determine Range step SS takes precedence.

Gomi no Sensei

In article <7abfcf51.0105...@posting.google.com>, Potato <Potato...@hotmail.com> wrote: >The scenario: I take an action, tapping my Storm Sewers as I do so. >The action gets blocked by Cailean. >My query: Does my Storm Sewers "keep it close" take precedence over >Caileans choice of range? It does. Storm Sewers' effect was activated first, so it wins -- see Cailean v. Shadow Step for precedent (the first rangesetting effect prevents further rangesetting). gomi nosferatu newsletter tonight, already partially written. -- "I wanted to feel that tug of a body as it jerks and kicks while I hold the handle and the life erupts from it like water from the cold springs of the Eastern Mountains. That's what I wanted, and what you want makes you who you are." - Steven Brust, Teckla

James Coupe

In message <7abfcf51.0105...@posting.google.com>, Potato <Potato...@hotmail.com> writes >My query: Does my Storm Sewers "keep it close" take precedence over >Caileans choice of range? Since Cailean establishes range in combat, and Storm Sewers prevents that, Cailean's ability cannot function. i.e. SS takes precedence. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D "You reinstall Dial-Up Networking. The Elf screams and becomes EBD690ECD7A1F an icon. *** CONGRATULATIONS! *** You completed the BT Internet B457CA213D7E6 Helpdesk training course in 15 out of a possible 9000 moves." 68C3695D623D5D

LSJ

Skippy wrote: > "Potato" <Potato...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > My query: Does my Storm Sewers "keep it close" take precedence over > > Caileans choice of range? > My guess would be that since SS doesn't list a condition further than the > action being blocked, it would seem that since there is no Determine Range > step SS takes precedence. Correct. Once the range of the round has been set, it cannot be set again. The first "set range" effect wins out. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Andrew S. Davidson

It's easy. Cailean wants to choose range during the combat but Storm Sewers says that he can't. It's a general metarule in CCG that card effects which prevent or cancel something take precedence over effects which cause that same thing. An early example cited by Garfield was Consecrate Land vs Stone Rain. Andrew [ quoted text not captured ]