LSJ: Aversion Q

I had a rather lengthly arguement about this card on VOL. simply stated can this card be played prior to declaring a block or other reaction for the immedient VAL bleed reduction? Raille

In message <1165890947.6...@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>, Raille <rai...@yahoo.com> writes: >simply stated can this card be played prior to declaring a block or >other reaction for the immedient VAL bleed reduction? Compare to Telepathic Counter, which is also bleed reduction: <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/241b9b 7522078b6a> ***** LSJ responds to Sylvain Gogel: > My question is can i play T[elepathic] C[ounter] before stating about > block Yes. ***** -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

James Coupe wrote: > In message <1165890947.6...@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>, > Raille <rai...@yahoo.com> writes: > >simply stated can this card be played prior to declaring a block or > >other reaction for the immedient VAL bleed reduction? > > Compare to Telepathic Counter, which is also bleed reduction: > > <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/241b9b > 7522078b6a> > ***** > LSJ responds to Sylvain Gogel: > > > My question is can i play T[elepathic] C[ounter] before stating about > > block > > Yes. > ***** There is difference in wording between Telepathic counter, Ecstacy, Folderol ect. They all say: Reduce a bleed against you by 1. Aversion at VAL states bleeding you for 1. The argument I had was all about this minor text difference. the two players playing against me stated I had to be bleed first before I could play this card. So its not been ruled on by LSJ as of yet in this context and I need a ready reference for future games. Love VOL but I find the level of knowledge there still rather dismal. Raille

James Coupe wrote: > In message <1165890947.6...@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>, > Raille <rai...@yahoo.com> writes: >> simply stated can this card be played prior to declaring a block or >> other reaction for the immedient VAL bleed reduction? > > Compare to Telepathic Counter, which is also bleed reduction: > > <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/241b9b > 7522078b6a> > ***** > LSJ responds to Sylvain Gogel: > >> My question is can i play T[elepathic] C[ounter] before stating about >> block > > Yes. > ***** > Correct, Aversion can be played prior to declaring a block.

Raille wrote: > James Coupe wrote: >> In message <1165890947.6...@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>, >> Raille <rai...@yahoo.com> writes: >>> simply stated can this card be played prior to declaring a block or >>> other reaction for the immedient VAL bleed reduction? >> Compare to Telepathic Counter, which is also bleed reduction: >> >> <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/241b9b >> 7522078b6a> >> ***** >> LSJ responds to Sylvain Gogel: >> >>> My question is can i play T[elepathic] C[ounter] before stating about >>> block >> Yes. >> ***** > > There is difference in wording between Telepathic counter, Ecstacy, > Folderol ect. > They all say: > Reduce a bleed against you by 1. > > Aversion at VAL states bleeding you for 1. Banner of Neutrality uses "is bleeding you", FWIW. > The argument I had was all about this minor text difference. the two > players playing against me stated I had to be bleed first before I > could play this card. Hmm. Priestess of Sekhmet uses "bleeding" as well, and clearly allows future block attempts. See also Victorine Lafourcade: "When a vampire of capacity less than 5 is bleeding you, you may burn the Edge to cause the action to fail." > So its not been ruled on by LSJ as of yet in this context and I need a > ready reference for future games. Right, so: Aversion played at VAL can be followed by block attempts. It is possible to play Aversion at VAL before the action resolution step. During a bleed action, the acting minion is said to "be bleeding" the target Methuselah. That is, during the action, the statement: "The acting minion is bleeding the target Methuselah for 1" is true (assuming the bleed amount is 1, of course).