rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Imbued and Ally Questions

3 messages from 2 participants · 09 April 2006
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tzimisce_dragon

Well, some questions... 1. An imbued can recruit an ally or employ a retainer, as long as the card just requires a "minion playing it" and no additional requirements or blood cost, right ? 2. Kindred Segregation doesnot affect imbued, because they have no recruitment cost, right ? 3. You must tap the power to use it, so how do you know which powers are always on ? (haven't seen all the NoR cards yet, so sorry if this sound silly) Is there specific text that tells you that the power is always in effect and that you don't have to tap it ? 4. An ally question.... About allies playing cards as vampires... i've read a lot of stuff about this and i don't know which of these really are in effect right now, so: a. i've read that the ally is considered a vampire for the duration of playing the card, if this duration is instantaneous (like playing a strike card) ? e.g. the Satyr plays burst of sunlight, he gets one aggravated and..... just burns 1 life ? or goes to torpor with no effect being able to get him out of torpor ??? (i've read an LSJ ruling which allows this possibility) b. i've read some time ago that there was a certain circumstance that could send an ally playing a card as a vampire to torpor, with no effect being able to get him out of torpor. This was written by LSJ but i don't remember under which circumstances this was possible. Is this rule still in effect ? Can this be done ? Sorry for the "silly" questions, but i was away of Jyhad for 1 year due to obligatory military service and i have forgotten a lot of rulings and stuff... I've already searched google but i have found somewhat contradictory rulings (or maybe didn't quite understand them) about this subject. So, please be kind to help me clarify these... and a final question about Mask of 1000 faces [i knew all the rulings about this but forgot them :( ] I know that if e.g. Lazverinus bleeds, gets blocked, strikes for strength damage (hand strike for 3), then another minion with strength 1 cannot mask the action (say lazverinus play a Form of Mist sup) because he could not have striked for 3 damage.... But i donot remember the following: a minion with a permanent +1 bleed, bleeds, no block attempts, can another minion with e.g +3bleed or without +bleed mask the action ? i believe yes, but i am not sure. Can a minion play Mask sup (+1 stealth) if stealth is not yet needed ? Thanks in advance...

LSJ

tzimisce_dragon wrote: > Well, some questions... > > 1. An imbued can recruit an ally or employ a retainer, as long as the > card just requires a "minion playing it" and no additional requirements > or blood cost, right ? They're allies, right. > 2. Kindred Segregation doesnot affect imbued, because they have no > recruitment cost, right ? Correct. > 3. You must tap the power to use it, so how do you know which powers > are always on ? > (haven't seen all the NoR cards yet, so sorry if this sound silly) See the preview. It distinguishes always on and other types of abilities. > Is there specific text that > tells you that the power is always in effect and that you don't have to > tap it ? Yes. Type icons or absence of type icons. > 4. An ally question.... About allies playing cards as vampires... i've > read a lot of stuff about this and i don't know which of these really > are in effect right now, so: > > a. i've read that the ally is considered a vampire for the duration of > playing the card, if this duration is instantaneous (like playing a > strike card) ? e.g. the Satyr plays burst of sunlight, he gets one > aggravated and..... just burns 1 life ? or goes to torpor with no > effect being able to get him out of torpor ??? (i've read an LSJ ruling > which allows this possibility) The ruling is: the card the ally plays as a vampire sees him as a vampire for the resolution of that card play. Everything else sees him for what he is: an ally. SCS plays Burt of Sunlight. SCS takes one agg. SCS burns one life to handle the agg. > b. i've read some time ago that there was a certain circumstance that > could send an ally playing a card as a vampire to torpor, with no > effect being able to get him out of torpor. This was written by LSJ but > i don't remember under which circumstances this was possible. Is this > rule still in effect ? Can this be done ? No. If the card that the ally plays as a vampire says "send this vampire to torpor" as part of the resolution of the play of the card, then the ally is burned, per the rules. > Sorry for the "silly" questions, but i was away of Jyhad for 1 year due > to obligatory military service and i have forgotten a lot of rulings > and stuff... I've already searched google but i have found somewhat > contradictory rulings (or maybe didn't quite understand them) about > this subject. So, please be kind to help me clarify these... Resolve contradictory rulings by inspecting the dates of the rulings. > and a final question about Mask of 1000 faces [i knew all the rulings > about this but forgot them :( ] I know that if e.g. Lazverinus bleeds, > gets blocked, strikes for strength damage (hand strike for 3), then > another minion with strength 1 cannot mask the action (say lazverinus > play a Form of Mist sup) because he could not have striked for 3 > damage.... > > But i donot remember the following: a minion with a permanent +1 bleed, > bleeds, no block attempts, can another minion with e.g +3bleed or > without +bleed mask the action ? i believe yes, but i am not sure. Can Yes. > a minion play Mask sup (+1 stealth) if stealth is not yet needed ? No.

tzimisce_dragon

thanks a lot, you've been very helpful as always.... Finaly, it is the first time in my playgroup that there are so many people willing to buy boosters of this new set. Congrats! Conserning my playgroup, the major reason for the high interest in this set is that it is nice, gives many new playing options, it is a SMALL set and finaly the percentage of cards that you are going to play and not just have them is larger than other sets. In a few words, the are FEW CRAPPY cards so no worries about buying cards and just use 3-5% of them in decks.