[LSJ] "action fails" abilities

If an effect causes an action to "fail", does the action end immediately as part of the resolution of the effect (similar to an effect that causes the action to "end"), or is there an opportunity to play "end of action" effects? Here is a concrete example. Fatima, with a Fortitude master on her, plays Bum's Rush to enter combat with Edward Vignes. Edward announces that he is attempting to block. Fatima declares that no stealth will be played and thus the block attempt is successful. Edward's controller then discards a Deflection from his hand to make the action "fail" (per card text). Can Fatima now play Freak Drive at superior to untap? Or did the action end when Edward's effect caused it to "fail", thus preventing Fatima from playing anything else (similar to what would happen if Obedience was played against Fatima)? -- charles lechasseur - da...@novideospamtron.ca

"Charles Lechasseur" <da...@novideospamtron.ca> wrote in message news:danov-21100...@192.168.1.4... > If an effect causes an action to "fail", does the action end immediately > as part of the resolution of the effect (similar to an effect that causes > the action to "end"), or is there an opportunity to play "end of action" > effects? The latter. > Here is a concrete example. > > Fatima, with a Fortitude master on her, plays Bum's Rush to enter combat > with Edward Vignes. Edward announces that he is attempting to block. > Fatima declares that no stealth will be played and thus the block attempt > is successful. Edward's controller then discards a Deflection from his > hand to make the action "fail" (per card text). Can't. Edward would have to invoke his special before the block succeeds. Which would then render the Freak Drive question moot, as the conditions (success or block) are not met. > Can Fatima now play Freak Drive at superior to untap? Or did the action > end when Edward's effect caused it to "fail", thus preventing Fatima from > playing anything else (similar to what would happen if Obedience was > played against Fatima)? -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

In article <2tsatjF...@uni-berlin.de>, "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >"Charles Lechasseur" <da...@novideospamtron.ca> wrote in message >news:danov-21100...@192.168.1.4... >> Fatima, with a Fortitude master on her, plays Bum's Rush to enter combat >> with Edward Vignes. Edward announces that he is attempting to block. >> Fatima declares that no stealth will be played and thus the block attempt >> is successful. Edward's controller then discards a Deflection from his >> hand to make the action "fail" (per card text). > >Can't. >Edward would have to invoke his special before the block succeeds. Is this because after the block succeeds, the action has already failed? In this case, could Edward burn the Deflection anyway just to cycle a card, making the action fail (again) but not preventing combat from occuring? [ quoted text not captured ]

"Charles Lechasseur" <da...@novideospamtron.ca> wrote in message news:danov-22100...@192.168.1.4... > In article <2tsatjF...@uni-berlin.de>, "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> > wrote: > >"Charles Lechasseur" <da...@novideospamtron.ca> wrote in message > >news:danov-21100...@192.168.1.4... > >> Fatima, with a Fortitude master on her, plays Bum's Rush to enter combat > >> with Edward Vignes. Edward announces that he is attempting to block. > >> Fatima declares that no stealth will be played and thus the block attempt > >> is successful. Edward's controller then discards a Deflection from his > >> hand to make the action "fail" (per card text). > > > >Can't. > >Edward would have to invoke his special before the block succeeds. > > Is this because after the block succeeds, the action has already failed? Yes. See also trying to *play* a Deflection after successfully blocking (can't do that, either). > In this case, could Edward burn the Deflection anyway just to cycle a > card, making the action fail (again) but not preventing combat from > occuring? No. He "can't" discard a Deflection from his hand. [ quoted text not captured ]