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> >>1) other combat decks: now it's basically luck that determines the outcome.>> > > If you are better at combat than they are, you determine the outcome. If you > are sitting next to a combat deck, however, what is most important is that both > you and your neighbor realize what is going to happen--you are going to kill > eachother, and someone else will win. The intelligent combat deck players will > strike a bargain--the "prey" combat deck gets left alone, and gets to get up to > 3VPs. The "predator" combat deck agrees to lay off of him, as long as he > promises to roll over and give the "predator" deck the last 2VPs in the game. with 'luck' I meant: encountering a combat deck that's your deck's hoser.(eg a brujah potence deck meets a 'long range Tremere deck or a prevent and claw Gangrel deck.) <snip> > > >>4) If everything goes realy smooth you'll have a very hard second oust.>> > > Nah, not always. Let your prey live long enough to mess up your grandprey a > bit. Or blow up their vampires too. It isn't *that* difficult to get 4 VPs out > of a Rush deck with the right conditions (that 5th VP, however, is rough). > How do you get 4 VP in a 5 player game? If you get 4, you automatically have the fifth also, being last player alive. Or do you mean that a good Rush deck can sweep a 4 player but not a 5 player game? > Peter D Bakija > PD...@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/bakija6 > > "Why so many swords?" > "I must kill many." > -Kikuchiyo > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

jero...@my-deja.com wrote: > How do you get 4 VP in a 5 player game? If you get 4, you > automatically have the fifth also, being last player alive. Or do you > mean that a good Rush deck can sweep a 4 player but not a 5 player > game? You can get 4 by ousting three consecutive preys and being the last player alive. (That is, one of the other players ousted her prey before being ousted by you). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

<gray...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:95prga$tpc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <WLXf6.366538$MA1.12...@afrodite.telenet-ops.be>, > "jeroen rombouts" <jeroen....@pandora.be> wrote: [snip] > Lasty, the key to Jyhad ( I'm old skool, so sue me :), esp in a > tournament environment is diplomacy. Make deals with other players, > even your predator and prey. [snippy snip] Amen to that. The old 60/40 rule i reckon. 60% Dealing 40% Playing Bwaaa Ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Rob. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.198 / Virus Database: 95 - Release Date: 04/10/00

On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:22:26 -0000, "Rob Treasure" <Rob.Tr...@btinternet.com> wrote: > ><gray...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:95prga$tpc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... >> In article <WLXf6.366538$MA1.12...@afrodite.telenet-ops.be>, >> "jeroen rombouts" <jeroen....@pandora.be> wrote: > >[snip] > >> Lasty, the key to Jyhad ( I'm old skool, so sue me :), esp in a >> tournament environment is diplomacy. Make deals with other players, >> even your predator and prey. > >[snippy snip] > >Amen to that. The old 60/40 rule i reckon. > >60% Dealing >40% Playing +60% Lying :) -- Derek "Oh, cool... TABLE ACTIONS!" -- M. Perlman

In article <9ua38t8gkhg0h1j87...@4ax.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] So what's the difference between Rob dealing and Rob lying? Tom [ quoted text not captured ]

Jeroen wrote: >>with 'luck' I meant: encountering a combat deck that's your deck's hoser.(eg a brujah potence deck meets a 'long range Tremere deck or a prevent and claw Gangrel deck.)>> In a tournament situation, even a combat heavy one, this isn't that likely. Sure, every once and a while your all POT rush deck will run into a heavy FOR/Wolf Claws Gangrel deck, but that isn't any more likely than your Malk S+B deck running into a prey with 20 Deflections in it. And yeah, it will kill you, but I wouldn't shy away from a whole strategy just 'cause you might run into the hoser deck. If that is the case, then *all* decks aren't worth playing. In a tournament situation, very few combat decks designs are particularly viable, and most of the ones that hose the viable Rush decks aren't very good (Gangrel combat and long range Tremere are both far harder to win with than a POT Rush deck, in a strategic sense). As such, these decks are unlikely to show up all that often. In a particular play group, however, once combat catches on, it isn't to long till someone starts kicking everyone's ass with either the "ultimate combat deck" or the "ultimate combat hoser deck"--Rush decks tend to not work so well in a regular play group, as everyone is wise to you, and they know that their 12 Obediances and 10 Skin of Steels aren't going to just gum up their hands. Not so in a tournament, which is where Rush decks actually work. >>How do you get 4 VP in a 5 player game?>> One other player at the table (of 5) ousts someone, and you get everyone else (including them)--they get 1VP, you get 4VPs. Even when a Rush deck works really well, and is in thebest possible situation, it is likely that someone (your grand prey?) will oust someone before you get everyone. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Peter D Bakija" <pd...@aol.comANTISPAM> wrote in message news:20010207163714...@ng-fd1.aol.com... > In a particular play group, however, once combat catches on, it isn't to long > till someone starts kicking everyone's ass with either the "ultimate combat > deck" or the "ultimate combat hoser deck"--Rush decks tend to not work so well > in a regular play group, as everyone is wise to you, and they know that their > 12 Obediances and 10 Skin of Steels aren't going to just gum up their hands. > Not so in a tournament, which is where Rush decks actually work. Exactly! I use IG based rush combat as a course correction when everyone leans to far toward combat ends. Then it is a killer winning deck. Tremere combat and all the others tend to function best when combat is so prevalent that they can count on playing against other IG-based combat decks. -Robert

On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:40:32 GMT, Tom Kassel <tka...@my-deja.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] How much he smiles when he's saying it? =) [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <9ua38t8gkhg0h1j87...@4ax.com>, Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Heh, my favourite trick last weekend was Me: "If you don't rush me in your next turn I'll rescue that vamp of your from torpor at the end of your prey's turn" My Prey: "So I only have to not rush you for only one turn?" Me: "Yep" My Prey: "Sure" So I rescue his vamp and he doesn't rush me. I'm my turn I play Secure Haven on Gilbert Duane. So now I have two vamps, Leandro with DOM who obediences everyone and Gilbert who cannot be rushed. My Prey: "You sneaky bastard" My second favourite trick was, with 4 players left, to convice my predator to oust both my prey and my grand-prey ( his predator ) at the same time with a Conservative Agitation, guaranteeing that I won the tourney and he got 3rd. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Whether or not he backstabs you later, or keeps the deal, as he sees fit when the time comes. =) -- Pat Ricochet Soul Jar'rn Fool of Atlanta

Tom Kassel <tka...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:95sbru$3gk$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Not a great deal. :o] Don't believe i had the pleasure of playing against you yet Tom, good to meet you anyways. Rob [ quoted text not captured ]

Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:coi38t838us801co1...@4ax.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Derek, god damn you have rumbled me. Either that or you use the 'smile' yourself. Been talking to Legbiter ? Rob [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <%ztg6.77$Oh3....@news.dircon.co.uk>, "shsoton" <shs...@dircon.co.uk> wrote: > > Tom Kassel <tka...@my-deja.com> wrote in message > news:95sbru$3gk$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > > In article <9ua38t8gkhg0h1j87...@4ax.com>, > > Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:22:26 -0000, "Rob Treasure" > > > <Rob.Tr...@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ><gray...@my-deja.com> wrote in message > > news:95prga$tpc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > >> In article <WLXf6.366538$MA1.12...@afrodite.telenet-ops.be>, > > > >> "jeroen rombouts" <jeroen....@pandora.be> wrote: > > > > > > > >[snip] > > > > > > > >> Lasty, the key to Jyhad ( I'm old skool, so sue me :), esp in a > > > >> tournament environment is diplomacy. Make deals with other players, > > > >> even your predator and prey. > > > > > > > >[snippy snip] > > > > > > > >Amen to that. The old 60/40 rule i reckon. > > > > > > > >60% Dealing > > > >40% Playing > > > > > > +60% Lying :) > > > > > So what's the difference between Rob dealing and Rob lying? > > Not a great deal. :o] > That's what I reckoned. I was quite impressed to see how you diverted your Beastly prey in the final last week. > Don't believe i had the pleasure of playing against you yet Tom, good to > meet you anyways. > Yes, that was a disappointment. I got Barney and a few others twice (more accurately Barney got me once and we split a table once), but didn't play several others at all. Maybe at Watford. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:24:42 -0000, "shsoton" <shs...@dircon.co.uk> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Nah. Everyone knows I'd never misrepresent my hand, intentions, or anything else during play. Although actually, I COULDN'T last Tuesday; played most of a game with Revelations at superior out. But that meant everyone got to see that I was sitting on Carrion Crows/Thrown Gate/Song of Serenity, and nobody wanted to mess with Ox for some reason. >Been talking to Legbiter ? Hmm... Ve Haff Our Sourzes... =) [ quoted text not captured ]