Ritual of the Bitter Rose

ric...@sleet.seas.ucla.edu (Ricardo C. Lagos) wrote: > here's a quick question.. last night we noticed that ritual of the >bitter rose, says that it is a combat card, and you use it when you diablerize >an opposing vampire.. can anyone explain this.. (unless you use amaranth, you >cant diablerize while in combat...) .. so how does Ritual of the bitter rose >work? Peace Ricardo, You use it with Amaranth, just like you suggested. The combat symbol has to be on the card so that it may be used for that purpose. Nil carborundum illigitimi, James R. McClure Jr. The OS/2 Apostle <insert disclaimer here>

OGRE <the_...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > I couldn't find if this question has been posed before, but this came >up in a game recently. The text of RotBR states (paraphrased) that >all of your vampires gain the ammount of blood that is on a vampire >you are destroying by diablarie. That is fine. > However, the text also says that it is useable in combat when a >vampire is burnt. How is that possible? You can only burn a vampire >in combat when he/she is at 0 blood ( or less, obviously) in which >case the card is useless. The only way for this to happen is is you also play Amaranth. This happens to be an excellent card combo for Gangrel :) > The only sense we could make was that perhaps the text should have >said each vamp gains the "victim's" capacity, rather that the blood on >him/her at the time. What is the inention/official ruling on this >card? Nope, it's the blood currently on the vamp. -- Alec Habig, Indiana University High Energy Astrophysics aha...@bigbang.astro.indiana.edu http://www.astro.indiana.edu/home/ahabig/ Ban the Bomb: Make the world safe for conventional warfare!

the_...@ix.netcom.com (OGRE) writes: > I couldn't find if this question has been posed before, but this came >up in a game recently. The text of RotBR states (paraphrased) that >all of your vampires gain the ammount of blood that is on a vampire >you are destroying by diablarie. That is fine. > However, the text also says that it is useable in combat when a >vampire is burnt. How is that possible? You can only burn a vampire >in combat when he/she is at 0 blood ( or less, obviously) in which >case the card is useless. > The only sense we could make was that perhaps the text should have >said each vamp gains the "victim's" capacity, rather that the blood on >him/her at the time. What is the inention/official ruling on this >card? Officially, it works as printed. It can be used in combat if you diablerize with amaranth after doing aggravated damage. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | NEVER say Cthulhu's name ou%^ http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | *$%t lo#^*$% @zU{- Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | q^@*#`&NO CARRIER.

la...@ucla.edu (Ricardo Lagos) wrote: >In article <Do61L...@seas.ucla.edu>, > ric...@sleet.seas.ucla.edu (Ricardo C. Lagos) wrote: >>hello everyone... >> >> here's a quick question.. last night we noticed that ritual of the >>bitter rose, says that it is a combat card, and you use it when you >diablerize >>an opposing vampire.. can anyone explain this.. (unless you use amaranth, >you >>cant diablerize while in combat...) .. so how does Ritual of the bitter rose >>work? > > > .. okie .. i looked at some FAQ's on some card errata ... and in there >it says the Ritual Of the Bitter Rose was written correctly ... you can only >use it when diablerizing a vampire in combat.. (by using Amaranth ..) ... >kinda useless though .. (how many times do you think you'll have amaranth, and >Ritual of the Bitter Rose, and put a vampire in Torpor at the same time??) Peace Ricardo, More often than you think, if you build your deck to exploit that combination. My Gangrel deck does and it happens once or twice every game. [ quoted text not captured ]

Isn't this the card that's both a combat card and an action modifier? I don't have most of my cards with me and I never played with it, so I can't check. Chad Lubrecht lubr...@udel.edu

OGRE <the_...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > I couldn't find if this question has been posed before, but this came >up in a game recently. The text of RotBR states (paraphrased) that >all of your vampires gain the ammount of blood that is on a vampire >you are destroying by diablarie. That is fine. > However, the text also says that it is useable in combat when a >vampire is burnt. How is that possible? You can only burn a vampire >in combat when he/she is at 0 blood ( or less, obviously) in which >case the card is useless. The usual way to get blood out of it in combat is to hit a vampire with less aggravated damage than it has blood, use Amaranth to diablerize the vampire that would otherwise be going into torpor, and take advantage of that to play the Ritual. Yes, playing the Ritual if the vampire has no blood is pretty pointless, except to get it out of your hand. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

I have seen amaranth and ritual of the bitter rose used successfully simultaneously my my Methuselah friend Groff Bittner. It was a godlike play !! He lost anyway. Chick...@msn.com

la...@ucla.edu (Ricardo Lagos) wrote: > .. okie .. i looked at some FAQ's on some card errata ... and in there >it says the Ritual Of the Bitter Rose was written correctly ... you can only >use it when diablerizing a vampire in combat.. (by using Amaranth ..) ... >kinda useless though .. (how many times do you think you'll have amaranth, and >Ritual of the Bitter Rose, and put a vampire in Torpor at the same time??) I agree. While the effect, if used properly, could be decent, but it does seem pretty useless. Why would WotC make a card that is only useful with another card? Oh well, now I can reduce my 300 card deck to 299, tee hee hee. Methuselah OGRE Clan Gangrel "Badger, press to continue,press to continue,press to continue"