(LSJ) Question: Electronic Equipment

I'm assuming that electronic equipment includes vehicles, right?

Brett wrote: > I'm assuming that electronic equipment includes vehicles, right? Most vehicles aren't particularly electronic. Especially things like motorcycles. -- - Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

[ quoted text not captured ] Most vehicles can't start/operate without the electricity to ignite the fuel. Just wondering.

Brett schrieb: [ quoted text not captured ] Technically most vehicles are full of equipment nowadays (even motorcycle...i.w. newer ones). Most Importantly the electronic injection systems.

Brett wrote: > Most vehicles can't start/operate without the electricity to ignite the > fuel. Just wondering. Electric does not equal electronic. [ quoted text not captured ]

correct.... Computer is an electronic device, the refridgerator is an electric one, and a sport bike is a mechanical one... quite clear to me... :)

Brett wrote: > I'm assuming that electronic equipment includes vehicles, right? No. Card text: "IR Goggles, Laptop Computer, or Phased Motion Detector"

[ quoted text not captured ] The reason I asked is because the card text includes "e.g." before the list of equipment, implying there may be others. Thanks.

[ quoted text not captured ] From American Heritage Dictionary: Electronic (adj) 1) Of or relating to electrons. 2) Of, based on, operated by, or otherwise involving the controlled conduction of electrons or other charge carriers, especially in a vacuum, gas, or semiconducting material. The inclusion of vehicles as a type of electronic equipment seems pretty clear to me. They also happen to be mechanical equipment. The adjectives are not mutually exclusive.

How about the following: Bomb? (not sure) Cooler? (Electric = No?) Incriminating Videotape? (Electronic = Yes?) Learjet? (Eh... not sure) [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Because, indeed, there may be others. We'll just have to wait and see if any others ever come along.

Brett wrote: > From American Heritage Dictionary: > > Electronic (adj) > 1) Of or relating to electrons. > > 2) Of, based on, operated by, or otherwise involving the controlled > conduction of electrons or other charge carriers, especially in a > vacuum, gas, or semiconducting material. > > The inclusion of vehicles as a type of electronic equipment seems pretty > clear to me. They also happen to be mechanical equipment. The adjectives > are not mutually exclusive. The Dictionary's definitions are woefully inadequate here. The brain is electronic (under both definitions), does that mean Smite should destroy Retainers? Dictionary.com's definition 5 is probably the best we'll get out of a non-technical dictionary: Of, implemented on, or controlled by a computer or computer network. [ quoted text not captured ]

gpett...@gmail.com wrote: > Brett wrote: > >> From American Heritage Dictionary: >> >>Electronic (adj) >>1) Of or relating to electrons. >> >>2) Of, based on, operated by, or otherwise involving the controlled >>conduction of electrons or other charge carriers, especially in a >>vacuum, gas, or semiconducting material. >> >>The inclusion of vehicles as a type of electronic equipment seems pretty >>clear to me. They also happen to be mechanical equipment. The adjectives >>are not mutually exclusive. > > > The Dictionary's definitions are woefully inadequate here. Okay. So, defining words has become a free-for-all. I accept that, although it does make conversation difficult. > The brain is > electronic (under both definitions), does that mean Smite should > destroy Retainers? Only if retainers are considered equipment. > Dictionary.com's definition 5 is probably the best we'll get out of a > non-technical dictionary: > > Of, implemented on, or controlled by a computer or computer network. > > -- > - Gregory Stuart Pettigrew > I invite the unbelievers in the group to rip out the car battery, voltage regulator, alternator, and spark plugs from their car/truck/motorcycle and see if the equipment is still functional. Note also that most modern cars/trucks have computers, thereby satisfying definition 5. Anyway, LSJ has spoken.

Brett wrote: > I invite the unbelievers in the group to rip out the car battery, > voltage regulator, alternator, and spark plugs from their > car/truck/motorcycle and see if the equipment is still functional. Those parts convert mechanical energy directly to electrical energy or vice-versa. None of those are electronic. The voltage regulator is the exception, it modifies electrical energy, but still does so without electronic components. > Note also that most modern cars/trucks have computers, thereby satisfying definition 5. > Further note that many of those cars/trucks will continue to function (albeit inefficiently) if their computer is disabled. > Anyway, LSJ has spoken. Correct. [ quoted text not captured ]

Ask around and see how many people consider vehicles to be electronic equipment. Vehicles are characterized by their mechanical parts and not their electronic ones... Just a friendly advice, next time you want to make a good guess about a VTES rule, use your brains and your good judgement and not a dictionary. Until LSJ publishes a dictionary about vtes rules, you don't need one to play the game :) peace...

gpett...@gmail.com wrote: > Brett wrote: >> I'm assuming that electronic equipment includes vehicles, right? > > Most vehicles aren't particularly electronic. Especially things like > motorcycles. Greg, do you even know what the fuck you are talking about? Almost all motorized vehicles that exist are electronic at the most basic level, and REQUIRE electronic parts to function AT ALL. Most of your posts on this newsgroup are off-the-cuff knee-jerk responses to people saying something you don't like, and most of the time you are wrong (like now). You might want to enable some kind of self-filter, where you write up your usual worthless pile of garbage, and then you actually READ the hash you just wrote, and then either delete it or rewrite it into something constructive. Kevin M. "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier

hmmm.. intresting new ruling... btw isnt IR Goggles an optical device. ... just be annoying :) Oortje

Oortje wrote: > hmmm.. intresting new ruling... > > btw isnt IR Goggles an optical device. > > .... just be annoying :) I'm not sure how they would make visible-light representations (the stuff you see when you look in one end) of non-visible Infra-red light that the lenses receive (the stuff that's actually going in the other end) without using some sort of electrical system. -- salem http://users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/vtes/ (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

"Oortje" <interne...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1144972207.2...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > hmmm.. intresting new ruling... > > btw isnt IR Goggles an optical device. Eh? It's a device that converts infrared radition into visible radiation, if that's what you mean by "optical". > ... just be annoying :) I don't think such a comment is annoying as much as it is vague. What's your point? Are you contending that a device with such a purpose can't be an electronic device? Fred

[ quoted text not captured ] IR Goggles Electronic Equipment. Optical Device. Requires Batteries. Military or Special Ops Hardware. The minion (Vampire, Imbued, Mage, Zombie, Eastern Vampire, Ghoul, Pirate, Pokemon Monster, Yu-Gi-Oh character, Shivan Dragon, Pink Flamingo or other, regardless of race or creed, or whether they happen to be Camarilla, Independent, Sabbat, Laibon, Congressmen' Wives or Jin Kuei, or whether they are Anarch, Black Hand, Red List, True Black Hand, Inconnu, Very True Black Hand, Special Ops Operative or Friggin this is the Ultimately Truely Real Black Hand for Chrissakes) with this electronic equipment that is an optical device that requires batteries and is a military or special ops hardware gets an optional manoeuvre, only usable to either go to close, or to long range, each combat. Artwork: none, to make the text legible. Who has space for Artwork these days, anyway? -- Bye, Daneel