rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

TOM: Immortal Grapple Question

5 messages from 4 participants · 23 December 1994 – 30 December 1994
original thread on Google Groups

Tox

Tom- Immortal Grapple says only hand strikes may be used by or against the vampire playing the card. Please clarify: 1) Can either vamp use a Potence card that allows "strike with hand at +X", such as Undead Strength or Growing Fury? 2) Can the opposing vamp escape with Combat Ends or Dodge (it was argued to me that these strikes do not do damage and are therefore not "against" the playing vampire)? 3) Do retainers still do their damage as normal (Wolf companion, etc.)? 4) Is Muddles' 4-damage strike a hand strike? Thanks, -Tox

Thomas R Wylie

Tox <t...@isr.harvard.edu> wrote: >1) Can either vamp use a Potence card that allows "strike with hand at >+X", such as Undead Strength or Growing Fury? I think you can, but I'll double check. >2) Can the opposing vamp escape with Combat Ends or Dodge... No. >3) Do retainers still do their damage as normal (Wolf companion, etc.)? Of course. >4) Is Muddles' 4-damage strike a hand strike? I'll find out. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

Joe Cochran

In article <3dtvm0$5...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, Thomas R Wylie <aa...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote: > >>4) Is Muddles' 4-damage strike a hand strike? > >I'll find out. > Speaking of which, are the mages' strikes hand strikes? And Lazarus? We were playing a game and we got to the choose strike phase (we were at long range), and I was at a loss momentarily for what to say. I mean by the rules, it seems to be hand, but, well, it's *magic*, so what does that count as? :-) | If you've got a hot lead on a new | *--Joe--* | PC game, call the announce line at | js...@vt.edu | ** csi...@discus.ise.vt.edu ** | +-------------------------------------+---------------------------------- "Carnivores, oy!" -- Timon, TLK

Josh Hsu

In article <3dusts$b...@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Joe Cochran <js...@megavolt.cc.vt.edu> wrote: >In article <3dtvm0$5...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, >Thomas R Wylie <aa...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote: >> >>>4) Is Muddles' 4-damage strike a hand strike? >> >>I'll find out. >> > >Speaking of which, are the mages' strikes hand strikes? And Lazarus? >We were playing a game and we got to the choose strike phase (we were >at long range), and I was at a loss momentarily for what to say. I >mean by the rules, it seems to be hand, but, well, it's *magic*, so >what does that count as? :-) If you are at long range, then you cannot use immortal grapple(only usable at short range) therefore, it doesn't really matter, but no, 1r is not hand damage.

Joe Cochran

In article <3dvnbo$d...@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Josh Hsu <jo...@merle.acns.nwu.edu> wrote: >>Speaking of which, are the mages' strikes hand strikes? And Lazarus? >If you are at long range, then you cannot use immortal grapple(only usable at >short range) therefore, it doesn't really matter, but no, 1r is not hand >damage. I know it's not material to Immortal Grapple, but it's still a valid question. As a matter of fact, I wasn't even thinking of IG when I asked the question. It was a question that I was reminded of by the MVH question, so I asked it. With Lazarus, we can probably assume the 1R is special and different from his hand damage (since all vampires have an intrinsic 1 hand damage). There's no distinction on the mages as to whether or not it's hand (but as the MVH question points out, there's no distinction like that on *any* ally), so the answer to the MVH question will probably be the same as the answer to the mage question (which means that the Hell Hound might do hand damage. Er, yeah). But if the allies do hand damage, this makes the mages and the MVH much nastier (add a Lucky Blow to their strike iff it's needed -- yuck!). And the mages can do that at range! That's why I asked the question. [ quoted text not captured ]