Actually two questions:
If Nu the Pillar Clan Impersonates to Blood Brother, can Angelo react
with Gestalt and use all of Nu's disciplines in that combat?
If two Aabbt Kindred each Clan Impersonate to Blood Brother, are they
considered to be members of the same "Aabbt Kindred" circle, or are they
in the "Aabbt Kindred A" circle and "Aabbt Kindred B" circle (for
purposes of Angelo playing sanguinus cards)?
Jozxyqk wrote:
> Actually two questions:
>
> If Nu the Pillar Clan Impersonates to Blood Brother, can Angelo react
> with Gestalt and use all of Nu's disciplines in that combat?
>
No, for several reasons. Nu is not yet a Blood Brother until the CI is
successful, and from your question, when you say "that" combat, I
assume you mean that Angelo is blocking the CI. Second, if Nu was
already a blood brother, and took a different action, then Angelo
reacted with Gestalt and chose Nu as one of the X blood brothers, then
Nu would have to burn a blood or else the card has no effect. I
believe that this card gives the chosen BB the *choice* of either
burning a blood or having no effect, therefore Nu's controller would
obviously refuse.
> If two Aabbt Kindred each Clan Impersonate to Blood Brother, are they
> considered to be members of the same "Aabbt Kindred" circle, or are they
> in the "Aabbt Kindred A" circle and "Aabbt Kindred B" circle (for
> purposes of Angelo playing sanguinus cards)?
I don't know for sure if this has been answered explicitly, but I'm 99%
sure that it's different circles. The "Circle of One" formed by a
vampire without a circle designation does not have a name and should
only include the individual vampire, not any other vampires with the
same name.
"Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message
news:Z6ednct9nJU...@comcast.com...
> Actually two questions:
>
> If Nu the Pillar Clan Impersonates to Blood Brother, can Angelo react
> with Gestalt and use all of Nu's disciplines in that combat?
>
Sure.
> If two Aabbt Kindred each Clan Impersonate to Blood Brother, are they
> considered to be members of the same "Aabbt Kindred" circle, or are they
> in the "Aabbt Kindred A" circle and "Aabbt Kindred B" circle (for
> purposes of Angelo playing sanguinus cards)?
>
The latter. Unless Circle is specified, each instance of a Circle is
considered unique.
DaveZ
Atom Weaver
David Zopf wrote:
> "Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message> > If Nu the Pillar Clan Impersonates to Blood Brother, can Angelo react
> > with Gestalt and use all of Nu's disciplines in that combat?
>
> Sure.
Assuming Nu has the blood to burn for Gestalt, right.
Not that even if Nu were controlled by another player, he'd still have
to burn the blood if he were chosen for Gestalt (card text: "must").
> > If two Aabbt Kindred each Clan Impersonate to Blood Brother, are they
> > considered to be members of the same "Aabbt Kindred" circle, or are they
> > in the "Aabbt Kindred A" circle and "Aabbt Kindred B" circle (for
> > purposes of Angelo playing sanguinus cards)?
>
> The latter. Unless Circle is specified, each instance of a Circle is
> considered unique.
Correct.
Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> Jozxyqk wrote:
> > Actually two questions:
> >
> > If Nu the Pillar Clan Impersonates to Blood Brother, can Angelo react
> > with Gestalt and use all of Nu's disciplines in that combat?
> >
> No, for several reasons. Nu is not yet a Blood Brother until the CI is
> successful, and from your question, when you say "that" combat, I
> assume you mean that Angelo is blocking the CI.
Sorry Chris, this was unclear. I meant if you controlled both of them,
and your own Nu was already a Blood Brother, and this was a later
action.
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> David Zopf wrote:
> > "Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message
> > > If Nu the Pillar Clan Impersonates to Blood Brother, can Angelo react
> > > with Gestalt and use all of Nu's disciplines in that combat?
> >
> > Sure.> Assuming Nu has the blood to burn for Gestalt, right.> Not that even if Nu were controlled by another player, he'd still have
> to burn the blood if he were chosen for Gestalt (card text: "must").
But Gestalt says "Blood Brothers you control". So you can't choose "Nu,
the Blood Brother" (or any other legitimate Blood Brother) as part of
the Gestalt if he's controlled by someone else.
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, LSJ wrote:
> David Zopf wrote:>> "Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message>>> If Nu the Pillar Clan Impersonates to Blood Brother, can Angelo react
>>> with Gestalt and use all of Nu's disciplines in that combat?>>
>> Sure.>
> Assuming Nu has the blood to burn for Gestalt, right.
>
> Not that even if Nu were controlled by another player, he'd still have
> to burn the blood if he were chosen for Gestalt (card text: "must").
"Choose X ready Blood Brothers you control who belong to the same circle
as this reacting vampire (including this vampire). Each chosen vampire
must burn a blood, or this card has no effect." I assume Angelo's special
doesn't somehow get around the "X ready Blood Brothers you control"
requirement.
Matt Morgan
Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
> >
> > Not that even if Nu were controlled by another player, he'd still have
> > to burn the blood if he were chosen for Gestalt (card text: "must").
>
> "Choose X ready Blood Brothers you control who belong to the same circle
> as this reacting vampire (including this vampire). Each chosen vampire
> must burn a blood, or this card has no effect." I assume Angelo's special
> doesn't somehow get around the "X ready Blood Brothers you control"
> requirement.
>
I think LSJ was just momemntarily sucked in by the assumption from my
post (which seemed to be included in the original post) that you could
choose any Blood Brothers of the same circle for Gestalt. If you
*could* do that, then I guess "must" means he'd have to burn the blood.
I had thought that if you were given a choice of burn a blood *or* do
something else, you were free to do the something else, but I guess
that in the case of Gestalt, it does read differently from other cards
like Society of Leopold.