Deckless with Shilmulo Tarot

Just to make clear: Shilmulo Tarot reads "If this Ravnos is ready and you should draw a card from your library, you may draw one of these cards instead." If I'm deckless and below hand size, I'm constantly in a state of "should draw a card from my library", so I can wait and draw cards off Shilmulo whenever I want to? Like waiting until someone attempts to block me and then "top-decking" a stealth off the Tarot or something? John

<jnew...@difsol.com> wrote in message news:1114821263.7...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] My guess would be that you only have the option to draw a card when you actually play a card. Of course, that would beg the question of whether you could decline to draw a card when you're at six cards and then when you play another card and choose to draw a Shimulo Tarot card, draw another one and go all the back up to seven. This might create weird situations like the ability to withdraw with a full hand. I'm not sure any of the situations would be considered degenerate, but still... IANLSJ and all of this is just wild-assed speculating. Should be interesting to discover what the answer turns out to be. Fred

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes, exactly. You're in a continual state of "should draw a card" (until you achieve your hand size again). -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message news:4272E916...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com... > jnew...@difsol.com wrote: >> Just to make clear: >> >> Shilmulo Tarot reads "If this Ravnos is ready and you should draw a >> card from your library, you may draw one of these cards instead." >> >> If I'm deckless and below hand size, I'm constantly in a state of >> "should draw a card from my library", so I can wait and draw cards off >> Shilmulo whenever I want to? Like waiting until someone attempts to >> block me and then "top-decking" a stealth off the Tarot or something? > > Yes, exactly. You're in a continual state of "should draw a > card" (until you achieve your hand size again). So you _could_ withdraw with a full hand? That is, not redraw just before your untap phase, declare to withdraw, draw, continue to draw as needed from ST, and ultimately succeed at withdrawing. Not that it bothers me. Just a bit strange. Fred

Frederick Scott a écrit : [ quoted text not captured ] why should it be strange ? at the time you declare the withdraw, remember that your library is empty. how different is it from declaring a withdraw and then having Pochtli put 2 cards back in your library so you can draw them back ?

Frederick Scott wrote: > "LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message news:4272E916...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com... >>Yes, exactly. You're in a continual state of "should draw a >>card" (until you achieve your hand size again). > > So you _could_ withdraw with a full hand? That is, not redraw just before > your untap phase, declare to withdraw, draw, continue to draw as needed > from ST, and ultimately succeed at withdrawing. Yes. > Not that it bothers me. Just a bit strange. [ quoted text not captured ]

"reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:42732f4a$0$13413$79c1...@nan-newsreader-05.noos.net... > Frederick Scott a écrit : >> So you _could_ withdraw with a full hand? ... >> Not that it bothers me. Just a bit strange. > why should it be strange ? Normally, if you are trying to withdraw, you have less than a full hand size at all times. (Mind you, I just said it was a _bit_ strange - not "MAJOR WEIRD" or anything.) > how different is it from declaring a withdraw and then having Pochtli put 2 cards back in your library so you can draw them back ? I guess it's not. I wasn't remembering Pochtli existed or that this issue had been visited before. Fred