"Chris.QJ" wrote:
>
> hi group,
>
> i would like to know why one of _the_ staple cards in the game was not
> included in the boosters.
> Blood Dolls go in nearly every deck, and one box of precons yields
> only 7 of them IIRC.
>
> enlighten me please!
Standard development answer - considering the big picture led to
design as you've found it.
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:34:10 GMT, Chris.QJ <ro...@gmx.at> wrote:
>hi group,
>
>i would like to know why one of _the_ staple cards in the game was not
>included in the boosters.
I think that as always, starters are always the thing new players buy
first, then they have blooddolls.. older players already have dozens
of them, and newer players might not need that much..
>Blood Dolls go in nearly every deck, and one box of precons yields
>only 7 of them IIRC.
7 will be sufficient for most players having only 1 or 2 decks I guess
Just my 2 cents.
"Pepijn Kok" <ka...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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Yes, but 7 is the number that beginners will get if they have *6* decks. 2 or
3 per deck would not have been an unreasonable number.
LSJ wrote:
>
> "Chris.QJ" wrote:
> >
> > hi group,
> >
> > i would like to know why one of _the_ staple cards in the game was not
> > included in the boosters.
> > Blood Dolls go in nearly every deck, and one box of precons yields
> > only 7 of them IIRC.
> >> Standard development answer - considering the big picture led to
> design as you've found it.
>
Can this response be understood in any way other than CE being aimed at
vets (who should have enough BDs) rather than new players (who should
have, well, none) after all?
Thomas
>Can this response be understood in any way other than CE being aimed at
>vets (who should have enough BDs) rather than new players (who should
>have, well, none) after all?
I still need plenty of BD's. Each of my decks usually run 4-5 and with 4-5
decks, I end up running out... ='(
Halcyan 2
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3D5B92DD...@white-wolf.com>...
> Thomas Pichler wrote:
> >
> > Can this response be understood in any way other than CE being aimed at
> > vets (who should have enough BDs) rather than new players (who should
> > have, well, none) after all?
>
> Yes.
I interpret this response to mean that Blood Dolls are a broken card
in a sealed deck environment (hunt for 1 pool every turn on weenie) so
they wanted to limit the number available to players in that format,
while giving everyone access to them. Each Pre-Con has at least one
BD, and 3 have two (Nosferatu, Toreador and Tremere). Brujah and
Ventrue get 1 Minion Tap as well and the Malkavians get 2 Ascendance.
It seems relatively equal.
Getting 9 Blood Dolls in 6 starters isn't that bad of a deal really.
You'd get far less in a box of boosters if they were common (1 in 100
chance of getting a Blood Doll per common and 216 (36 x 6) commons per
box is only 2, 3 if lucky. Nine is enough for two decks unless you're
doing something unusual (big caps, no Minion Taps), and its easy
enough to swap them around (though it does get annoying to be sure).
Jeff
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3D5A4761...@white-wolf.com>...
>
> Standard development answer - considering the big picture led to
> design as you've found it.
Must be one heck of a picture you're looking at...I have a humongous
collection and I still need blood dolls. As a 'new standalone' set CE
should have had such a staple card in the boosters.
T
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> Thomas Pichler wrote:
> >
> > LSJ wrote:
> > >
> > > "Chris.QJ" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hi group,
> > > >
> > > > i would like to know why one of _the_ staple cards in the game was
not
> > > > included in the boosters.
> > > > Blood Dolls go in nearly every deck, and one box of precons yields
> > > > only 7 of them IIRC.
> > > >
> > > Standard development answer - considering the big picture led to
> > > design as you've found it.
> > >
> > Can this response be understood in any way other than CE being aimed at
> > vets (who should have enough BDs) rather than new players (who should
> > have, well, none) after all?
>
> Yes.
Disingenuous.
Josh
;-)
Jeff Kuta wrote:
>
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3D5B92DD...@white-wolf.com>...
> > Thomas Pichler wrote:
> > >
> > > Can this response be understood in any way other than CE being aimed at
> > > vets (who should have enough BDs) rather than new players (who should
> > > have, well, none) after all?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> I interpret this response to mean that Blood Dolls are a broken card
> in a sealed deck environment (hunt for 1 pool every turn on weenie) so
> they wanted to limit the number available to players in that format,
> while giving everyone access to them.
Sealed deck is a game of chance, regardless (which anyone who ever got
stuck with an opening crypt draw containing nothing below 8 cap can
confirm)... this cannot be fixed by limiting the availability of just
one card.
> Each Pre-Con has at least one
> BD, and 3 have two (Nosferatu, Toreador and Tremere). Brujah and
> Ventrue get 1 Minion Tap as well and the Malkavians get 2 Ascendance.
> It seems relatively equal.
>
> Getting 9 Blood Dolls in 6 starters isn't that bad of a deal really.
> You'd get far less in a box of boosters if they were common (1 in 100
> chance of getting a Blood Doll per common and 216 (36 x 6) commons per
> box is only 2, 3 if lucky. Nine is enough for two decks unless you're
> doing something unusual (big caps, no Minion Taps), and its easy
> enough to swap them around (though it does get annoying to be sure).
Being able to get an essential card from boosters, not just starters,
has one major advantage: you can actually get it while expanding your
collection. Buying another copy of a starter one already owns (to get
extra BDs after the first 9) is nice and all, and a very good idea to do
once or twice for a clan one desperately wants to play, but beyond that,
it's a bother. It won't improve one's selection of vampires, won't give
one a chance at getting <insert your favorite rare not included in a
starter here>, and will drown one in whatever card there were 5 of in
the first starter already.
Having BD be both in short supply in the starters and unavailable in
bossters does not, to me, seem to make CE all that well suited for new
players.
Reprinting the old precons will help a little, though without boosters
from those sets, many of the clans will be fairly unattractive to
actually play (except !Brujah... buying 2 each of the Brujah and !Brujah
starters and creating a mixed deck is bound to be *the* best ever way to
get into VTES quick).
Thomas