LotN Preview in Game Trade

The new issue of Game Trade has a preview of about 6-7 cards from the new set. I didn't bother to buy it, but here are a few things, to the best of my memory: - 9-cap Assamite something inf-CEL-QUI-OBF-THA Seraph, Black Hand pays 1 less for QUI cards; pays 1 less for weapons; not blood cursed - Potence strike do not replace until (something happens - untap or combat ends I think) pot +1 hand/+2 melee weapon POT +2 hand/+3 melee - Serpentis action, no cost ser Tap a minion (maybe limited to prey?) SER add a corruption counter, with text to take the minion if it's fully corrupted (prey only? don't recall for sure) - PA Card requires indep vamp with capacity >=4 cost 2 blood allocate 6 pool among 2 or more Meths - Chimerstry action modifier costs 1 (?) chi cancel a reaction card that requires aus or dem CHI +1 stealth, plus (burn a blood?) to use the chi effect as well - Giovanni action; +1 stealth put (foo) in play, or add a counter to a (foo) in play add a counter whenever (a unique minion?) is burned; if the card has 7 counters or more, Giovanni all have NEC and can also take an action to put a burned minion into play as a wraith with some wraith-like abilities - Pat sorry for the faulty memory

> - 9-cap Assamite > something inf-CEL-QUI-OBF-THA > Seraph, Black Hand > pays 1 less for QUI cards; pays 1 less for weapons; not blood cursed Wow, I'm not to thrilled about seeing the Thaum since I can't use him with the other Sorcerors of the clan. But the reduced cost for Qui and weapons makes him the next Star Vampire for Assamites. That seems to be the only thing Assamites get.

[ quoted text not captured ] Patience. And this Assamite looks like Izhim to me, particularly if this inferior discipline is for or pot. And he's good. THA seems great (MotS, Rutor's Hand) if he will be the star of the deck. And at last we've got vampire who pays less for Quietus.;) Y.

> - Chimerstry action modifier > costs 1 (?) > chi cancel a reaction card that requires aus or dem > CHI +1 stealth, plus (burn a blood?) to use the chi effect as well Here's the one that scares me. Like chi isn't good enough as a Discipline. :D (Tongue in cheek, more variety is good, but woah, that card has potential) - Dave

Pat wrote: > The new issue of Game Trade has a preview of about 6-7 cards from the > new set. I didn't bother to buy it, but here are a few things, to the > best of my memory: > > - 9-cap Assamite > something inf-CEL-QUI-OBF-THA > Seraph, Black Hand > pays 1 less for QUI cards; pays 1 less for weapons; not blood cursed What group? Appolonius.

[ quoted text not captured ] Who's to say that there aren't other sorcerers who match up? Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

[ quoted text not captured ] not really important - he is a star! :D MotS and more important - Biothaumaturgical experiment!

[ quoted text not captured ] Dude, If I were you I would be more concerned by the inferior serpentis Tap any dude / superior corruption counter, thats really really good. And the vote that doest 6 damage between two meths. Those are powercards. THe CHI stealth thing is useable, but not scary. :) ant

[ quoted text not captured ] Even if there are others to go with him. I won't be able to use any of them with the original Sorcerors. I hope the inferior discipline that's missing is Fort as that would be better than Pot. As then he'd have something in common with someone in the new groups. By the way, he's likely group 5. Although, perhaps even 6.

On Aug 30, 3:25 am, "Pat" <patrick.lusk.NOS...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote: > - Serpentis action, no cost > ser Tap a minion (maybe limited to prey?) > SER add a corruption counter, with text to take the minion if it's fully > corrupted (prey only? don't recall for sure) Very good, corruption counters are becoming more and more viable. > - PA Card > requires indep vamp with capacity >=4 > cost 2 blood > allocate 6 pool among 2 or more Meths Now I am suspecting at this point your memory must have failed you, it simply must have ... this is a real power card, huge. Thanks for the update, let the rumours continue.

> What group? > Appolonius. Group 1

>> > - Chimerstry action modifier >> > costs 1 (?) >> > chi cancel a reaction card that requires aus or dem >> > CHI +1 stealth, plus (burn a blood?) to use the chi effect as well >> >> Here's the one that scares me. Like chi isn't good enough as a >> Discipline. :D >> (Tongue in cheek, more variety is good, but woah, that card has >> potential) >> >> - Dave > > Dude, If I were you I would be more concerned by the inferior > serpentis Tap any dude / superior corruption counter, thats really > really good. They are both good and nice. > And the vote that doest 6 damage between two meths. It is good but as I heard of it I was downed by the 2 blood cost. Hopefully there is no "no Voter Cap" clause. Orpheus

"Oortje" <interne...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1188479507.2...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >> What group? > >> Appolonius. > > > Group 1 MUAHAHAHAHAH !!!!

On Aug 30, 7:55 am, Jyhad <jy...@storageannex.com> wrote: > On Aug 30, 7:28 am, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 29, 10:16 pm, Jyhad <jy...@storageannex.com> wrote: > > > > > - 9-cap Assamite > > > > something inf-CEL-QUI-OBF-THA > > > > Seraph, Black Hand > > > > pays 1 less for QUI cards; pays 1 less for weapons; not blood cursed > > > > Wow, I'm not to thrilled about seeing the Thaum since I can't use him > > > with the other Sorcerors of the clan. But the reduced cost for Qui > > > and weapons makes him the next Star Vampire for Assamites. That seems > > > to be the only thing Assamites get. > > > Who's to say that there aren't other sorcerers who match up? > > > Comments Welcome, > > Norman S. Brown, Jr > > XZealot > > Archon of the Swamp > > Even if there are others to go with him. I won't be able to use any of > them with the original Sorcerors. That is correct. You can still play with them in draft, if you have any Final NIghts left over. > I hope the inferior discipline > that's missing is Fort as that would be better than Pot. As then he'd > have something in common with someone in the new groups. By the way, > he's likely group 5. Although, perhaps even 6. I doubt he will be group 5, more than likely he will be group 4 or 5. [ quoted text not captured ]

> >> What group? > > >> Appolonius. > > > Group 1 > > MUAHAHAHAHAH !!!! Thanks you were a great audience. but you where probebly the only one laughing.

> - 9-cap Assamite > something inf-CEL-QUI-OBF-THA > Seraph, Black Hand > pays 1 less for QUI cards; pays 1 less for weapons; not blood cursed inf pot > - Potence strike > do not replace until (something happens - untap or combat ends I think) > pot +1 hand/+2 melee weapon > POT +2 hand/+3 melee until after combat > - Serpentis action, no cost > ser Tap a minion (maybe limited to prey?) > SER add a corruption counter, with text to take the minion if it's fully > corrupted (prey only? don't recall for sure) Yep, limited to prey. SER is "as above". > - PA Card > requires indep vamp with capacity >=4 > cost 2 blood > allocate 6 pool among 2 or more Meths 2 other meth. Cannot use in f2f. > - Chimerstry action modifier > costs 1 (?) > chi cancel a reaction card that requires aus or dem > CHI +1 stealth, plus (burn a blood?) to use the chi effect as well 1 blood cost. > - Giovanni action; +1 stealth > put (foo) in play, or add a counter to a (foo) in play > add a counter whenever (a unique minion?) is burned; if the card has 7 > counters or more, Giovanni all have NEC and can also take an action to put a > burned minion into play as a wraith with some wraith-like abilities 2 life, 0 strengh, 1 bleed, +1 stealh. > - Pat > > sorry for the faulty memory Np :)

On 30 Aug, 14:55, "Orpheus" <orpheus...@free.fr> wrote: > >> > - Chimerstry action modifier > >> > costs 1 (?) > >> > chi cancel a reaction card that requires aus or dem > >> > CHI +1 stealth, plus (burn a blood?) to use the chi effect as well > > >> Here's the one that scares me. Like chi isn't good enough as a > >> Discipline. :D > >> (Tongue in cheek, more variety is good, but woah, that card has > >> potential) > > >> - Dave > > > Dude, If I were you I would be more concerned by the inferior > > serpentis Tap any dude / superior corruption counter, thats really > > really good. > > They are both good and nice. Indeed, nice and versatile especially when used with revelations of desire.. very nice. The old problem with coprruption (that your boned if your prey is a 10 cap deck) takes another blow to the nuts with this card - cool. > > And the vote that doest 6 damage between two meths. > > It is good but as I heard of it I was downed by the 2 blood cost. Hopefully > there is no "no Voter Cap" clause. How can you not be totally pleased with this card dude :o) 5 dmage to prey for 2 blood = good tradeoff. Sure it has to be a successfull action, pass etc. but thats all just details - this card ROCKS. Ant

On Aug 30, 10:30 am, f.vasa...@chello.hu wrote: > > - 9-cap Assamite > > something inf-CEL-QUI-OBF-THA > > Seraph, Black Hand > > pays 1 less for QUI cards; pays 1 less for weapons; not blood cursed > > inf pot Infer Pot. Disappointing since there aren't any others in the group with Pot yet. Though, it does make him even more of a beast. As now he can IG some thaum first strike that can't be prevented by fort, then disarm and Amaranth.

[ quoted text not captured ] Potence is one of the best disciplins to get at inferior IMO, especially in combat. The key cards in potence are just fine at inferior: grapple and disarm.

[ quoted text not captured ] for would be better for multiact and prevent ... but pot work quite good with WoKR :)

f.vasa...@chello.hu wrote: > > - Serpentis action, no cost > > ser Tap a minion (maybe limited to prey?) > > SER add a corruption counter, with text to take the minion if it's fully > > corrupted (prey only? don't recall for sure) > > Yep, limited to prey. SER is "as above". > Thanks for the clarifications... is this "as above AND" , "as above OR", or "as above AND/OR"? (Not sure if I'd prefer between and and or... not being able to use it to corrupt tapped minions could suck, but tapping AND corrupting would be nice) No inherent stealth? (Just curious, as the existing 2 corruption actions are both +1 stealth actions IIRC....)

[ quoted text not captured ] Revelation of Ecstasy +1 stealh action ser - Tap one of your prey's ready minions SER - as above, and place a corruption counter...etc. (with the take control part)

[ quoted text not captured ] I know it's strong. But he has no one but the WoK embrace card to work with. He would have been better off with Fort as then he'd fit in better with Joe Boot, Janni and even Antara. All of which share Fort. Before him, there were only 3 Assamites with Pot. Thetmes who you see in Star decks mostly. Jalal, who you don't typically see using his Pot. And Husamettin who no one really plays with. Even if there are two more Assamites with Pot in the new set, you still aren't likly to see an Assamite Potence deck. Unless you play against me, cause I'll be crazy enough to build another one. The same thing with his Thaum, even if there are 5 others with Thaum to make it 6 like group 2. We'll likely end up with a variation on Kalinda who doesn't have Quietus or Parnasus who doesn't have Obs.

"XZealot" <xze...@cox.net> was totally drunk when he wrote : >> Even if there are others to go with him. I won't be able to use any of >> them with the original Sorcerors. > > That is correct. You can still play with them in draft, if you have > any Final NIghts left over. In real LSJ language the right term is "incorrect". >> I hope the inferior discipline >> that's missing is Fort as that would be better than Pot. As then he'd >> have something in common with someone in the new groups. By the way, >> he's likely group 5. Although, perhaps even 6. > > I doubt he will be group 5, more than likely he will be group 4 or 5. So if he can be either 4 or 5 but not 5, he should be group 4. Surely before you had finished your 11nth booze you were able to count up to 6 ? Just killing... uh, kidding... Orpheus, G4,5

>> >> > - Chimerstry action modifier >> >> > costs 1 (?) >> >> > chi cancel a reaction card that requires aus or dem >> >> > CHI +1 stealth, plus (burn a blood?) to use the chi effect as well >> >> >> Here's the one that scares me. Like chi isn't good enough as a >> >> Discipline. :D >> >> (Tongue in cheek, more variety is good, but woah, that card has >> >> potential) >> >> >> - Dave >> >> > Dude, If I were you I would be more concerned by the inferior >> > serpentis Tap any dude / superior corruption counter, thats really >> > really good. >> >> They are both good and nice. > > Indeed, nice and versatile especially when used with revelations of > desire.. very nice. The old problem with coprruption (that your boned > if your prey is a 10 cap deck) takes another blow to the nuts with > this card - cool. And hopefully it will be more widely available than Corruption (or that card will be included in the starters in no small amounts)... >> > And the vote that doest 6 damage between two meths. >> >> It is good but as I heard of it I was downed by the 2 blood cost. >> Hopefully >> there is no "no Voter Cap" clause. > > How can you not be totally pleased with this card dude :o) Well, I'm a hard fella to please, as all the girls around here and Kamel will tell you... ;-) > 5 dmage to prey for 2 blood = good tradeoff. Well, the limitations are not the same, but Conservative is good too. And of course Parity Shift is better than anything and not costly. I would have preferred a 1 blood cost, given the restrictions, it would allow for non-Pre voters to use it. Now the Giovanni are half-screwed on that one, I can't like THAT !! > Sure it has to be a > successfull action, pass etc. but thats all just details - this card > ROCKS. For Indie Voter Capers with a free stealth discipline, I have to agree. In other terms, it really rocks for Setites. For the rest, it will take some serious deckbuilding to include it. But be assured that I'll try to make a Giovanni vote deck if the new vamps allow it ! :-) > Ant Spider.

In article <1188479397.2...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, Temporis <Reid...@aol.com> wrote: > > - PA Card > > requires indep vamp with capacity >=4 > > cost 2 blood > > allocate 6 pool among 2 or more Meths > > Now I am suspecting at this point your memory must have failed you, it > simply must have ... this is a real power card, huge. Someone posted that it must be 2 *other* Methuselah. So it is unplayable in the end game. Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html "Find hungry samurai." -The Old Man

In article <46d6cc47$0$17634$426a...@news.free.fr>, "Orpheus" <orphe...@free.fr> wrote: > It is good but as I heard of it I was downed by the 2 blood cost. Hopefully > there is no "no Voter Cap" clause. Maybe this is the set where Voter Cap gets nerfed? They could have reprints in the starters... [ quoted text not captured ]

Pat wrote: > The new issue of Game Trade has a preview of about 6-7 cards from the > new set. I didn't bother to buy it, but here are a few things, to the > best of my memory: This is probably why there haven't been any previews up on the WW site yet. I bet we will start seeing them soon. 9-cap Assamite Izhim abd Azrael G5 pot-CEL-QUI-OBF-THA Sabbat, Seraph, Black Hand Cards that require Quietus cost Izhim 1 less blood. Weapons cost him 1 less pool or blood. (The blood curse does not affect Izhim.) Art by Torsten Nordstrand Brute Force Do not replace until after combat pot: Strike: make a hand strike at +1 damage or a melee weapon strike at +2 damage POT: Strike:make a hand strike at +2 damage or a melee weapon strike at +3 damage. "The best way out is always through" Robert Frost, "A Servant to Servants" Art by Brian Leblanc Revelation of Ecstasy Serpentis action, no cost +1 stealth Action ser Tap one of your prey's ready minions. SER As above, and place a corruption counter on that minion. If the number of your corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds his or her capacity or cost, you may burn those counters to take control of him or her. Art by Jon DiBartolo Reckless Agitation PA Card requires indep vamp with capacity above 4 cost 2 blood Allocate 6 points amont two or more other Methuselahs. Successful referendum means each Methuselah burns 1 pool for each point assigned. Art by Brian LeBlanc > False Resonance Chimerstry action modifier costs 1 chi cancel a reaction card that requires Auspex or Dementation as it is played (no cost is paid) CHI +1 stealth, and once this action, this vampire can burn 1 blood to use the chi effect above. art by Alexander Dunnigan Khazar's Diary (Endless Night) > - Giovanni action; +1 stealth Put the Diary in play, or add a counter to one in play. When a unique minion in play is burned, add another counter. While this card has seven or more counters, Giovanni get NEC and may take a +1 stealth action to put a minion from any ash heap into play to represent a wraith ally with 2 life, 0 strength, 1 bleed and +1 stealth. DRAFT: nec Hunt for +2 blood. Art by John Bridges. > - Pat > > sorry for the faulty memory > > -- Super Fun Cards http://stores.ebay.com/superfuncards/ auct...@superfuncards.com

librarian wrote: > Pat wrote: >> The new issue of Game Trade has a preview of about 6-7 cards from the >> new set. I didn't bother to buy it, but here are a few things, to the >> best of my memory: > > > This is probably why there haven't been any previews up on the WW site > yet. I bet we will start seeing them soon. You should charge for such accurate predictions.

[ quoted text not captured ] Heh. I started writing this at around 7:30 am Pacific time. Then had to run errands, drop off the kids etc etc. Came home, finished transcribing, and then hit send. Hadn't even finished reading the NG. Don't know when the spoiler went up... best - chris [ quoted text not captured ]

On Aug 30, 6:44 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Pat wrote: > > The new issue of Game Trade has a preview of about 6-7 cards from the > > new set. I didn't bother to buy it, but here are a few things, to the > > best of my memory: > > This is probably why there haven't been any previews up on the WW site > yet. I bet we will start seeing them soon. > > 9-cap Assamite > Izhim abd Azrael > G5 > pot-CEL-QUI-OBF-THA > Sabbat, Seraph, Black Hand > Cards that require Quietus cost Izhim 1 less blood. Weapons cost him 1 > less pool or blood. (The blood curse does not affect Izhim.) > Art by Torsten Nordstrand Seraph, hmm, all kinds of anti diablerie goodness, he has access to IG AND third strike, so gonna hit for unpreventable, disarm, amarnth, nice!!!!!!! > Revelation of Ecstasy > Serpentis action, no cost > +1 stealth Action > ser Tap one of your prey's ready minions. > SER As above, and place a corruption counter on that minion. If the > number of your corruption counters > on the minion equals or exceeds his or her capacity or cost, you may > burn those counters to take > control of him or her. Someone drank too much. Really way too much!!!! > Reckless Agitation > PA Card > requires indep vamp with capacity above 4 > cost 2 blood > Allocate 6 points amont two or more other Methuselahs. > Successful referendum means each Methuselah burns 1 pool for each point > assigned. Can I get a "w00t" from all the Setites please? And Aziz? > False Resonance > Chimerstry action modifier > costs 1 > chi cancel a reaction card that requires Auspex or Dementation as it is > played (no cost is paid) > CHI +1 stealth, and once this action, this vampire can burn 1 blood to > use the chi effect above. Um, wtf???? This is maybe, a bit, you know, um, like, you know, STRONG!!!? > Khazar's Diary (Endless Night)> - Giovanni action; +1 stealth > > Put the Diary in play, or add a counter to one in play. > When a unique minion in play is burned, add another counter. > While this card has seven or more counters, Giovanni get NEC and may > take a +1 stealth action to put a minion from any ash heap into play to > represent a wraith ally with 2 life, 0 strength, 1 bleed and +1 stealth. > DRAFT: nec Hunt for +2 blood. Unholy. Necrophiliac. Grave molesting. Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!11!!! one one!!!! > Super Fun Cardshttp://stores.ebay.com/superfuncards/ > aucti...@superfuncards.com

>> Khazar's Diary (Endless Night)> - Giovanni action; +1 stealth >> >> Put the Diary in play, or add a counter to one in play. >> When a unique minion in play is burned, add another counter. >> While this card has seven or more counters, Giovanni get NEC and may >> take a +1 stealth action to put a minion from any ash heap into play to >> represent a wraith ally with 2 life, 0 strength, 1 bleed and +1 stealth. >> DRAFT: nec Hunt for +2 blood. > > Unholy. Necrophiliac. Grave molesting. Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!11!!! > one one!!!! Zombielol. I guess you'd have to build either a Hordes'n'Burn or a Necroturbo around this card... Enzo could do both. Hell, you could even diablerize without fear, Possess the guy back, and get a wraith as a bonus. Or the Gem trick, get the Gem, get the Diary in play, bleed for a whole bunch, burn, come back, Possess another guy, get a Wraith... Now all we need is a good card affecting wraiths in play and we're back into business !! :-D Orpheus --------- Killing is my Business, and Business is Good !

On 30 ago, 09:30, f.vasa...@chello.hu wrote: > > - PA Card > > requires indep vamp with capacity >=4 > > cost 2 blood > > allocate 6 pool among 2 or more Meths > > 2 other meth. Cannot use in f2f. > > Np :) Sorry if this is lame but I cannot understand, cannot use in what? Rafa

[ quoted text not captured ] Face to face. You cannot allocate points into yourself, so only usable if 3 or more meths are in the game. 6 points is still huuge :)

[ quoted text not captured ] It is huge! Thanks Rafa

[ quoted text not captured ] No no. I actually LOL'd when I read it, too. :) -- salem

[ quoted text not captured ] That's what SHE said! -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

Orpheus wrote: >>> Khazar's Diary (Endless Night)> - Giovanni action; +1 stealth >>> >>> Put the Diary in play, or add a counter to one in play. >>> When a unique minion in play is burned, add another counter. >>> While this card has seven or more counters, Giovanni get NEC and may >>> take a +1 stealth action to put a minion from any ash heap into play to >>> represent a wraith ally with 2 life, 0 strength, 1 bleed and +1 stealth. >>> DRAFT: nec Hunt for +2 blood. >> >> Unholy. Necrophiliac. Grave molesting. Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!11!!! >> one one!!!! > > Zombielol. > > I guess you'd have to build either a Hordes'n'Burn or a Necroturbo around > this card... Tupdogs and multiple copies of the book. Fill the book up using the other copies to give it 7 counters (since the tupdogs won't add counters when they burn), but then splooge all those tupdogs out into your ready region (presumably. it doesn't say where in play they would go...hmm...they'd be able to act the turn you get them, too!). 1 pool (tupdog) for a minion with +1 stealth and 1 bleed? yes please! don't need anything else wraithy (well, that +1 stealth cloak for a wraith card could be handy, but not really necessary....especially if you play with memories of mortality!) [ quoted text not captured ]

Blooded Sand wrote: > Seraph, hmm, all kinds of anti diablerie goodness, he has access to IG > AND third strike, heh. topical humour! :) [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Me too! Next time I'll let you know. Keep 'em coming!

Salem <salem_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:46d7e69c$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au: [ quoted text not captured ] Tupdogs are non-unique minions. They wouldn't add counters to the Diary, although they would provide your with wraith allies once the Diary 'splodes... DZ AW

"Orpheus" <orphe...@free.fr> wrote in news:46d747b1$0$402$426a...@news.free.fr: >>> Khazar's Diary (Endless Night)> - Giovanni action; +1 stealth >>> >>> Put the Diary in play, or add a counter to one in play. >>> When a unique minion in play is burned, add another counter. >>> While this card has seven or more counters, Giovanni get NEC and may >>> take a +1 stealth action to put a minion from any ash heap into play >>> to represent a wraith ally with 2 life, 0 strength, 1 bleed and +1 >>> stealth. DRAFT: nec Hunt for +2 blood. >> >> Unholy. Necrophiliac. Grave molesting. Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!11!!! >> one one!!!! > > Zombielol. > > I guess you'd have to build either a Hordes'n'Burn or a Necroturbo > around this card... > > Enzo could do both. Hell, you could even diablerize without fear, > Possess the guy back, and get a wraith as a bonus. Or the Gem trick, > get the Gem, get the Diary in play, bleed for a whole bunch, burn, > come back, Possess another guy, get a Wraith... > Bah, self-mutiliation is the way to trigger the Diary. Julius with a skill card and Soul Gem plus Talbots Chainsaw/Eye of Hazimel/ (7-8 Julius and 4-5 Giovanni in the crypt). Jake Washington blocks an action. 15 Jake W's and 3 Parthenon in the library... Cryptic Mission your own Repo Man. more? > Now all we need is a good card affecting wraiths in play and we're > back into business !! :-D > Aye... Shame the Diary minion retrieval action wasn't a 'recruit wraith' action. You could have used Shroud Mastery to untap your uber-Gios... DZ AW

On 31 aug, 15:13, atomweaver <atomwea...@hotmail.com> wrote: <snip> > > Jake Washington blocks an action. 15 Jake W's and 3 Parthenon in the > library... He doesn't count as a minion in your ash heap iirc.

Jeroen <joen...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1188567138.746936.258940@ 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com: [ quoted text not captured ] Yaah. True. He'd put counters on Diary, tho'. I think a combination of him with Repo Man will be part of the Diary Deal. I'm willing to have a few less targets for the Diary wraith allies, if it means the Diary will trigger quicker. Mmm. Would this pair well with a Arms Dealer deck? Jake fuels Diary counters, chump-blocking Arms Dealers are re-animated from the ash heap... Many possibilities. DZ AW

[ quoted text not captured ] Salem did say that when he said "(since the tupdogs won't add counters when they burn)". best- chris pedant [ quoted text not captured ]

On Aug 31, 5:12 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > atomweaver wrote: > > Salem <salem_christ....@hotmail.com> wrote in [ quoted text not captured ] > aucti...@superfuncards.com He meant tupdog takes an action to add a counter to the book.....

On Aug 31, 1:41 pm, Blooded Sand wrote: > On Aug 31, 5:12 pm, librarian wrote: > > > atomweaver wrote: > > > Salem wrote in [ quoted text not captured ] > He meant tupdog takes an action to add a counter to the book..... Possibly not, since the Tupdogs cannot perform that action (requires Giovanni, if the spoiler text is correct). The Tupdogs still sound like a fun plan, though. Abraço, Luiz Mello Brazil VTES NC -- IV VTES Brazilian National Championship Vitória, October 12 to 14, 2007 http://cbr2007.vtesbrasil.com

[ quoted text not captured ] one question - if i influence out say 3xjulius -does they adds counters or not? it will be cute ;)

Hi, Reckless Agitation PA Card requires indep vamp with capacity above 4 cost 2 blood Allocate 6 points amont two or more other Methuselahs. Successful referendum means each Methuselah burns 1 pool for each point assigned. If someone plays Delaying Tactics on your Reckless Agitation, do the acting vampire still have to pay the 2 blood cost?

librarian <auct...@superfuncards.com> wrote in news:IdWBi.121681$xx1....@newsfe09.phx: > atomweaver wrote: >> Tupdogs are non-unique minions. They wouldn't add counters to the >> Diary, although they would provide your with wraith allies once the >> Diary 'splodes... >> > > Salem did say that when he said "(since the tupdogs won't add > counters when they burn)". Uhps. Missed that. DZ

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. The action was unblocked. The cost must be paid.

[ quoted text not captured ] yeah. I just meant tupdogs as a way of getting minions into your ashheap easy. I didn't even have a plan for the tupdogs to do anything at all while in play. Thinking about it, it's probably easier to just discard heaps of allies using Specialisation or something. :) ooooh....Are there any Burn-option allies? [ quoted text not captured ]

On Aug 30, 11:21 am, Jyhad <jy...@storageannex.com> wrote: > On Aug 30, 11:03 am, Anthony Coleman <Buntina...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 30 Aug, 15:59, Jyhad <jy...@storageannex.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 30, 10:30 am, f.vasa...@chello.hu wrote: > > > > > > - 9-cap Assamite > > > > > something inf-CEL-QUI-OBF-THA > > > > > Seraph, Black Hand > > > > > pays 1 less for QUI cards; pays 1 less for weapons; not blood cursed > > > > > inf pot > > > > Infer Pot. Disappointing since there aren't any others in the group > > > with Pot yet. Though, it does make him even more of a beast. As now > > > he can IG some thaum first strike that can't be prevented by fort, > > > then disarm and Amaranth. > > > Potence is one of the best disciplins to get at inferior IMO, > > especially in combat. The key cards in potence are just fine at > > inferior: grapple and disarm. > > I know it's strong. But he has no one but the WoK embrace card to work > with. He would have been better off with Fort as then he'd fit in > better with Joe Boot, Janni and even Antara. All of which share Fort. > Before him, there were only 3 Assamites with Pot. Thetmes who you see > in Star decks mostly. Jalal, who you don't typically see using his > Pot. And Husamettin who no one really plays with. Even if there are > two more Assamites with Pot in the new set, you still aren't likly to > see an Assamite Potence deck. Unless you play against me, cause I'll > be crazy enough to build another one. > > The same thing with his Thaum, even if there are 5 others with Thaum > to make it 6 like group 2. We'll likely end up with a variation on > Kalinda who doesn't have Quietus or Parnasus who doesn't have Obs. There are already 4 other gr 4 vampires with synergistic disciplines: Hektor Clan: Brujah antitribu (group 4) Capacity: 9 Disciplines: CEL POT PRE QUI for Sabbat priscus: Damage from Hektor's hand strikes is aggravated. Baali get +1 bleed when bleeding you. Rodrigo Clan: Brujah antitribu (group 4) Capacity: 5 Disciplines: CEL pot pre qui Sabbat. Kamiri wa Itherero Clan: Akunanse (group 4) Capacity: 10 Disciplines: ABO ANI FOR OBF pot qui Laibon: Younger vampires must burn 1 blood to attempt to block Kamiri. If an ally blocks Kamiri and combat occurs, burn the ally at the end of the action. Mukhtar Bey Clan: Caitiff (group 4) Capacity: 7 Disciplines: FOR PRE QUI obf pot Camarilla Prince of Cairo: Mukhtar cannot use presses to continue combat. If there are five Gehenna cards in play during your untap phase, burn Mukhtar. Massassi Clan: Osebo (group 4) Capacity: 9 Disciplines: AUS CEL POT QUI obf Laibon: Massassi can enter combat with a ready vampire as a (D) action. If that action is successful, she gets an optional maneuver in the first round of the resulting combat. They're all beefy with the exception of Rodrigo, but a Massassi or Hektor combo could be workable with the right tech in place to save/ recover the pool. Hopefully there will be a handful of decent new vampires to work into it, as well.

[ quoted text not captured ] But they aren't Assamites. That's my main complaint with his spread. And using the none Assamites requires a lot of work. Mostly with regards to having any pool left after bringing out such big vamps. Not counting comboing with either Rodrigo or Mukhtar. Still not worth it. As by that same standard Akram and Jalal and Thetmes and Husametin should be potence bash brothers, but aren't.

On Aug 31, 6:38 pm, Salem wrote: > Clément wrote: > > On Aug 31, 1:41 pm, Blooded Sand wrote: > >> He meant tupdog takes an action to add a counter to the book..... > > > Possibly not, since the Tupdogs cannot perform that action (requires > > Giovanni, if the spoiler text is correct). > > > The Tupdogs still sound like a fun plan, though. > > yeah. I just meant tupdogs as a way of getting minions into your ashheap > easy. I didn't even have a plan for the tupdogs to do anything at all > while in play. Well, they have POT. If you plan on using Potence, the Tupdogs might not be completely useless before they burn. They won't be able to rush, but they could block (zero stealth stuff, so not really good). Maybe there is some undirected thing they could perform? > Thinking about it, it's probably easier to just discard heaps of allies > using Specialisation or something. :) Yeah... for some reason, I was too focused on making wraiths from minions that were in play before at some point. But you are right, we are possibly better off just discarding them while doing useful things - like getting seven counters on the Diary. =) > ooooh....Are there any Burn-option allies? A quick ARDB search resulted in 26 burn-option cards. No allies there. Abraço, Luiz Mello

[ quoted text not captured ] maybe nocturn will be good - he is cheap and burns anyway :D

On Aug 30, 4:28 pm, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Seraph, hmm, all kinds of anti diablerie goodness, he has access to IG > AND third strike, so gonna hit for unpreventable, disarm, amarnth, > nice!!!!!!! You and Jyhad both posted this combo, so it seems worth pointing out the obvious fact that first strike and disarm don't have any synergy at all.

[ quoted text not captured ] It still works. It just means you have to wait for the round to finish. And hope you did more damage. It simply can't be instant. Where as first strike, unpreventable agg amaranth would have more synergy.

> maybe nocturn will be good - he is cheap and burns anyway :D Non-Unique, so for one blood and a definitely non-Giovanni discipline you'll add no counter to the Diary. You're better off discarding Shamblings (after use ?). --------- Orpheus

[ quoted text not captured ] If there was some way of reducing Akhenatan's cost to the point where it is managable, he would be quite sweet to use due to his shuffle when burnt clause? And he CAN play nec... But so very very expensive....

[ quoted text not captured ] HAHAHAHAHA a use for Caiaphas smith Recruit him, during your turn rush and kill him. preferably with something that also dies and is unique. And with Charisma he's free!

[ quoted text not captured ] nocturn can be turned into wraith :) since it was in play :) repo man is good at entering haven uncovered :D

[ quoted text not captured ] repo man good cos blood cost, not pool cost. Also good, (Finally , bwahahahahaha) is vagabond mystic. just rush some havened vampire with decent strength. Even better, rush caiaphas and set off a bomb.....

>> If there was some way of reducing Akhenatan's cost to the point where >> it is managable, he would be quite sweet to use due to his shuffle >> when burnt clause? And he CAN play nec... >> >> But so very very expensive.... > > HAHAHAHAHA a use for Caiaphas smith > Recruit him, during your turn rush and kill him. preferably with > something that also dies and is unique. And with Charisma he's free! Puppeeters, just play them in Inferior and they'll get blocked and killed more often than not. Of course there will be a synergy with all wraith cards... -------- Orpheus, wraithlike

[ quoted text not captured ] Actually, the reason i listed those above is, and this is very very important, is that they are unique. As this is required by the card for adding counters, this is a Good Thing(tm)

[ quoted text not captured ] Cry Wolves are unique, burn automatically and might even maul a weenie. Another possibility would be Vagabond Mystic+Rave+lots of Dolls to help you survive until the Diary is full.

[ quoted text not captured ] but that does mean going anarch.... and not getting blocked recruiting.... but yes, he would burn often.

>> > Actually, the reason i listed those above is, and this is very very >> > important, is that they are unique. >> > As this is required by the card for adding counters, this is a Good >> > Thing(tm) Sure, of course. >> Cry Wolves are unique, burn automatically and might even maul a >> weenie. Great idea ! >> Another possibility would be Vagabond Mystic+Rave+lots of Dolls to >> help you survive until the Diary is full. > > but that does mean going anarch.... and not getting blocked > recruiting... Getting Anarch is no problem, and might even be less of a problem after LoTN. Not getting blocked should be feasible for someone with Nec, especially if you take the Anarch Railroad right behind the Creepshow Casino, and if you're really afraid to get blocked go the Summoning way ; of course, as of now no Giovanni has PRE, but who knows... > but yes, he would burn often. And as mentionned he can even make some hurt ! One of the best ideas I heard yet. Of course you could try some tricks with Julius, and / or with Al-Muntaquim, but it would take some set-up, some pool (and some Giovanni too !). Silly idea : a Giovanni-impersonating Al-Muntaquim caitiffs + wraiths deck ? Looooooooooooool. ------- Orpheus