Random Cards/Revelations

Hi, If I have Revelations in play, how are the various effects of these vampires specialitys handled? Darius Styx [DS] <Independent>. As a (D) action, Darius may pick one card at random from {another} Methuselah's hand. If it is an equipment or retainer card, place it on Darius at no cost [(using the inferior version, if it requires a skill)]; otherwise, return it to the Methuselah's hand. Imogen [Sabbat] Sabbat Archbishop of Miami: As a +1 stealth (D) action, Imogen may pick one card at random from the hand of her prey or predator and exchange it with any card in that Methuselah's ash heap Kendrick [Sabbat] Sabbat Priscus: If Kendrick is ready during your master phase, you may look at a card at random from your prey's hand. If that card is a political action, your prey discards it. Can they now pick exactly the card they want, is the prey's hand turned over and randomized when they pick the card? Is Kendricks abilty any differnt as it says 'look' instead of 'pick'? Another thing: Is the prey allowed to indicate which card the vampire should choose? Could be useful for instance if Darius desperatly needs something to tame the deck that threatens to sweep te table... /henke

Henke wrote: > > Hi, > If I have Revelations in play, how are the various effects of these vampires > specialitys handled? The same as before. Revelations says nothing about changing the randomness of these effects. > Darius Styx [DS] > <Independent>. [...] pick one card at random [...]. > > Imogen [Sabbat] > Sabbat Archbishop of Miami: [...] pick one card at random [...] > > Kendrick [Sabbat] > Sabbat Priscus: [..] card picked at random [...] > > Can they now pick exactly the card they want, is the prey's hand turned over > and randomized when they pick the card? Is Kendricks abilty any differnt as > it says 'look' instead of 'pick'? The random card is still chosen randomly. If you need to have the player picker her hand up and shuffle those cards in order to do that, fine. A seven-sided die would also work (assuming the standard hand size), etc. > Another thing: Is the prey allowed to indicate which card the vampire should > choose? Could be useful for instance if Darius desperatly needs something to > tame the deck that threatens to sweep te table... Moot, since the random selection is still random. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

-- "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3ACE1906...@white-wolf.com... [ quoted text not captured ] You mean u can do that? I'd not call that random.

Roger Carhult wrote: > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Henke wrote: > > > Another thing: Is the prey allowed to indicate which card the vampire > should > > > choose? Could be useful for instance if Darius desperatly needs > something to > > > tame the deck that threatens to sweep te table... > > > > Moot, since the random selection is still random. > > You mean u can do that? I'd not call that random. I mean what I said, but not, apparently, what you think I wrote. Random means random. Selecting a particular, known card from a group is not random and is therefore not allowed (which renders the question of "Is the Prey allowed to indicate...?" moot). [ quoted text not captured ]

-- "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3ACE67F4...@white-wolf.com... > Roger Carhult wrote: > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > > Henke wrote: > > > > Another thing: Is the prey allowed to indicate which card the vampire > > should > > > > choose? Could be useful for instance if Darius desperatly needs > > something to > > > > tame the deck that threatens to sweep te table... > > > > > > Moot, since the random selection is still random. > > > > You mean u can do that? I'd not call that random. > > I mean what I said, but not, apparently, what you think I wrote. > Random means random. Selecting a particular, known card from a > group is not random and is therefore not allowed (which renders > the question of "Is the Prey allowed to indicate...?" moot). Hmm ok it's just that the words "since" "is" and "still" confused me, doesn't make much sense to me but English sin't my native tongue etiher, maybe that's why. Feels like it shoulda said "since the random selection still random" to make sense.

In message <9amu2n$40j$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Roger Carhult <rogc...@student.luth.se> writes >> > > Moot, since the random selection is still random. >> > >> > You mean u can do that? I'd not call that random. >> >> I mean what I said, but not, apparently, what you think I wrote. >> Random means random. Selecting a particular, known card from a >> group is not random and is therefore not allowed (which renders >> the question of "Is the Prey allowed to indicate...?" moot). > >Hmm ok it's just that the words "since" "is" and "still" confused me, >doesn't make much sense to me but English sin't my native tongue etiher, >maybe that's why. As a replacement for the phrase try: "Moot, because the random selection must be random." > Feels like it shoulda said "since the random selection >still random" to make sense. There's no verb in that sentence, then. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1F What's the meaning when you speak with so much feeling? B457CA213D7E6 Is it over when you're sober? Is it junk? 68C3695D623D5D