Biggest Hands

>Silly Noal... You still can't beat my 11000 + damage hand strike from >Cailean with Trap, Ankara Citedel, and 87 Fire in the Blood.... >Matt I can beat that, I could do INFINITE damage with just Two Library cards and the right table set up. Island of Yiaros Political Struggle 58 other cards Any Losombra and any ventrue as my vampires. My Losombra plays Political Struggle on any other vampire in the game with votes. Proceed to knock the poor little bishop/primogen/prince etc. in and out of torpor as many times as you want to get up to infinite votes. Then bring in the Island of Yiaros and Tap it to give the Losombra +X hand damage where X is the infinite Votes that the vampire now has. there ya go, strike hands for Infinity. Brad Ward Prince of NLV

"Bradly Ward" <br...@jakescrane.com> wrote in message news:tmmk05o...@corp.supernews.com... [ quoted text not captured ] I'll play Majesty.

> My Losombra plays Political Struggle on any other vampire in the game with > votes. Proceed to knock the poor little bishop/primogen/prince etc. in > and out of torpor as many times as you want to get up to infinite votes. > Then bring in the Island of Yiaros and Tap it to give the Losombra +X hand > damage where X is the infinite Votes that the vampire now has. > > there ya go, strike hands for Infinity. 1) No -- were the above card logic accurate, you could eventually count up so high there's no point to continue -- but you are limited by the number of times you can take the action successfully. Within a given combat, the hand strike is a set amount -- base + current votes. The votes will not increase mid-combat, so there's no true infinity reached. 2) Political Struggle is burned when the vamp it's on goes to torpor -- so you have that additional limitation. You get to add your target's votes to yours once per successful combat -- and then you have to play another STruggle. The Fanboy

On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:44:08 -0700, "Bradly Ward" <br...@jakescrane.com> wrote: >My Losombra plays Political Struggle on any other vampire in the game with >votes. Proceed to knock the poor little bishop/primogen/prince etc. in >and out of torpor as many times as you want to get up to infinite votes. >Then bring in the Island of Yiaros and Tap it to give the Losombra +X hand >damage where X is the infinite Votes that the vampire now has. Political Struggle: "+1 stealth action. (D) Put this card on a ready vampire. The acting vampire may enter combat with the vampire with this card as a +1 stealth (D) action. If the vampire with this card is burned or sent into torpor, the acting vampire gains X votes, where X is the number of non-contested votes the vampire with this card has; ** burn this card afterwards. **" Pesky card text says that you only get to gain the votes once. -- Derek "Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." - F. Leghorn

> >My Losombra plays Political Struggle on any other vampire in the game with > >votes. Proceed to knock the poor little bishop/primogen/prince etc. in > >and out of torpor as many times as you want to get up to infinite votes. > >Then bring in the Island of Yiaros and Tap it to give the Losombra +X hand > >damage where X is the infinite Votes that the vampire now has. > Pesky card text says that you only get to gain the votes once. Thats funny, I read the card text on the deckmonger site somehow I missed that burned part on the card... no matter you can still pull off the above combo. Just add pochtli to you crypt to constantly retrieve the Political struggle and still pull the combo off over and over again. It will certainly take some time to build up but in theory there is no limit to how much damge you could do. its the ultimate strike. -Brad Prince of NLV

On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:34:10 -0700, "Bradly Ward" <br...@jakescrane.com> wrote: >struggle and still pull the combo off over and over again. It will >certainly take some time to build up but in theory there is no limit to how >much damge you could do. > >its the ultimate strike. "I punch you for infinity plus one!" Enough said. [ quoted text not captured ]

> > "I punch you for infinity plus one!" > I play Skin of Steel

> > > > > "I punch you for infinity plus one!" > > > I play Skin of Steel > I prefer playing sup Blood of Acid to permanently get rid of the Infinity strength vampire =)

> My Losombra plays Political Struggle on any other vampire in the game with > votes. Proceed to knock the poor little bishop/primogen/prince etc. in > and out of torpor as many times as you want to get up to infinite votes. > Then bring in the Island of Yiaros and Tap it to give the Losombra +X hand > damage where X is the infinite Votes that the vampire now has. > hmmm. anyone know how Island of Yiaros interacts with the Prisci ? The Priscis Block has 3 votes, controlled by a Subvote where all Prisci have 1 vote (baring card tex that says otherwise) do they get +1 or +3 Strength? Island of Yiaros Master Ventrue Pool Cost: 2 Rarity: Rare Unique location. Tap this card to give a vampire you control +X strength for one strike, where X is the number of votes the vampire has (e.g., a Prince gets +2 strength). This card may be burned by any vampire as a (D) action; Brujah get -1 stealth when attempting that action. Jimbob

"James Moore" <ja...@particle-systems.com> wrote in message news:<CG8c7.11189$LN3.2...@monolith.news.easynet.net>... > > My Losombra plays Political Struggle on any other vampire in the game with > > votes. Proceed to knock the poor little bishop/primogen/prince etc. in > > and out of torpor as many times as you want to get up to infinite votes. > > Then bring in the Island of Yiaros and Tap it to give the Losombra +X hand > > damage where X is the infinite Votes that the vampire now has. > > > hmmm. > anyone know how Island of Yiaros interacts with the Prisci ? > > The Priscis Block has 3 votes, controlled by a Subvote where all Prisci have > 1 vote (baring card tex that says otherwise) > do they get +1 or +3 Strength? > Prisci are considered to have 0 votes. I've seen a ruling on this, but I'm not very good at dredging up those funny numbers that LSJ et al, like to put next to their posts.

[ quoted text not captured ] Online rulings: Priscus (Prisci vote) * Prisci in general have zero votes (for effects that operate based on the number of votes a vampire has). [RTR 19970630] -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"James Moore" wrote: in message > anyone know how Island of Yiaros interacts with the Prisci ? > The Priscis Block has 3 votes, controlled by a Subvote where all Prisci have > 1 vote (baring card tex that says otherwise) > do they get +1 or +3 Strength? Prisci in general have zero votes (for effects that operate based on the number of votes a vampire has). [RTR 19970630] They do not get any bonus from Island of Yiaros. Regards, Noal McDonald VEKN Prince of Metro Detroit

>> anyone know how Island of Yiaros interacts with the Prisci ? >> The Priscis Block has 3 votes, controlled by a Subvote where all Prisci >have >> 1 vote (baring card tex that says otherwise) >> do they get +1 or +3 Strength? > >Prisci in general have zero votes (for effects that operate based on >the number of votes a vampire has). [RTR 19970630] > >They do not get any bonus from Island of Yiaros. While I know the Prisci title is worth 0 votes and Genevieve would get +1 strength (for her special additional vote), would Gratiano's additional priscus vote be enough to get +1 strength? The ruling sort of implies that all Prisci votes are worth 0 but doesn't explicitly say that (says the Prisci title is worth zero, nothing about other sources of prisci votes). So...? Halcyan 2

Halcyan 2 wrote: > The ruling sort of implies that all Prisci votes are worth 0 but doesn't > explicitly say that (says the Prisci title is worth zero, nothing about other > sources of prisci votes). So...? Only main-referendum votes are counted. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Chris Berger" <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote > Prisci are considered to have 0 votes. I've seen a ruling on this, > but I'm not very good at dredging up those funny numbers that LSJ et > al, like to put next to their posts. I am operating under the suspicion that those funny numbers represent dates (YYYYMMDD). Bass ackwards, just like a whole bunch of things about this game.

Jason Bell wrote: > I am operating under the suspicion that those funny numbers > represent dates (YYYYMMDD). Bass ackwards, just like > a whole bunch of things about this game. YYYYMMDD is the accepted form of date specification in an international forum. No ambiguity there. The alternative format that I use is DD-MON-YYYY, which is longer and doesn't sort well, but it easier to read, at least for English speakers. What, exactly, is Bass ackwards about this? [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] And you wonder why dissention and flames follow you around the newsgroup. Could I recommend attempting a positive stance, or instead playing some game you actually enjoy? -- Pat Ricochet Soul Jar'rn Fool of Atlanta

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3B717F34...@white-wolf.com>... > Halcyan 2 wrote: > > The ruling sort of implies that all Prisci votes are worth 0 but doesn't > > explicitly say that (says the Prisci title is worth zero, nothing about other > > sources of prisci votes). So...? > > Only main-referendum votes are counted. How would cards like Legendary and Regent effect the Prisci Block?

In message <818c06e0.01080...@posting.google.com>, Sacha <paul...@hotmail.com> writes >> Only main-referendum votes are counted. > >How would cards like Legendary and Regent effect the Prisci Block? They're normal votes. They count in the normal referendum. (Like Genevive's vote is a normal vote and counts in the normal referendum.) A vote has to be specifically worded as part of the Prisci referendum to count there. (Like Gratiano's vote.) (Oh, and I repeat again, in no way am I, a la Xian, Gratiano's bitch, despite what my message IDs might suggest.) -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1F You scumbag, you maggot, you cheap lousy faggot B457CA213D7E6 Happy Christmas your arse, I pray God it's our last 68C3695D623D5D

James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:<ghoo1FEw...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>... > In message <818c06e0.01080...@posting.google.com>, Sacha > <paul...@hotmail.com> writes > >> Only main-referendum votes are counted. > > > >How would cards like Legendary and Regent effect the Prisci Block? > > They're normal votes. They count in the normal referendum. (Like > Genevive's vote is a normal vote and counts in the normal referendum.) > > A vote has to be specifically worded as part of the Prisci referendum to > count there. (Like Gratiano's vote.) So this spawns an additional question -can a Prisci hold one vote during the Prisci block and have a Legendary card on him, causing him to hold sway during the Prisci block as well as two additional votes during a standard referendum? If no, does he lose the Prisci vote or does he lose the advantage of the Legendary? I can see him loosing his title if he were voted to be a Archbishop, but the Legendary seems a little out side the norm. Next question: Can you pitch votes during the Prisci block . Ie- can I pitch a Banishment from my hand to add additional votes? Reaction cards? Can I pitch the edge? BTW: Thanks James.

In message <818c06e0.01080...@posting.google.com>, Sacha <paul...@hotmail.com> writes >-can a Prisci hold one vote during the Prisci block and have a >Legendary card on him, causing him to hold sway during the Prisci >block as well as two additional votes during a standard referendum? Yep. That's analogous to Genevieve, who has one Priscus vote (being a Priscus) and one normal vote (card text). Gratiano with Legendary Vampire will cast: - 1 vote in the Prisci vote (title) - 1 vote (making two total) in the Prisci vote (card text) - 2 votes in the main referendum (Legendary card text) >If no, does he lose the Prisci vote or does he lose the advantage of >the Legendary? Neither. The extra votes from Legendary aren't considered a title. The only things that are considered a title are: - A vampire with a title printed on them (like Rake, say) - An independent vampire who has a number of innate votes printed on them (like Ezmerelda) - A vampire with an effect on them which is specifically worded as a title >I can see him loosing his title if he were voted to be a Archbishop, >but the Legendary seems a little out side the norm. It's just card text granting votes. >Next question: >Can you pitch votes during the Prisci block . Ie- can I pitch a >Banishment from my hand to add additional votes? > >Reaction cards? > >Can I pitch the edge? Nope to all three: "Each ready priscus provides one vote for this sub-referendum, and *no other votes* may be used in this sub-referendum." [6.3.3 The Prisci Block] So specific card text (like Gratiano's) is needed to over-rule this. (By the golden rule of cards, where cards contradict the rules.) None of the current Political Action cards (e.g. Banishment) have such card text, nor any of the reaction cards, nor anything to do with the edge. *Theoretically*, there could be that said something like "Put this card in play. If you control the Edge, you may burn it during a referendum to gain and cast one vote in the Priscus sub-referendum." Currently, there isn't. [ quoted text not captured ]

>>Next question: >>Can you pitch votes during the Prisci block . Ie- can I pitch a >>Banishment from my hand to add additional votes? >> >>Reaction cards? >> >>Can I pitch the edge? > >Nope to all three: > >"Each ready priscus provides one vote for this sub-referendum, and *no >other votes* may be used in this sub-referendum." [6.3.3 The Prisci >Block] Just to be clear, though you can't play Reaction cards that give new votes (Surprise Influence, Dread Gaze), you *can* play Reaction cards that change or cancel votes, right? So can Conflict of Interests, Kindred Coercion, and Pulling Strings be used during the Prisci sub-referendum? Halcyan 2

In message <20010809034332...@ng-cp1.aol.com>, Halcyan 2 <halc...@aol.com> writes >>Nope to all three: >> >>"Each ready priscus provides one vote for this sub-referendum, and *no >>other votes* may be used in this sub-referendum." [6.3.3 The Prisci >>Block] > >Just to be clear, though you can't play Reaction cards that give new votes >(Surprise Influence, Dread Gaze), you *can* play Reaction cards that change or >cancel votes, right? Sure. "If a Priscus is forced to abstain or to change his votes, then this includes his votes in the Prisci sub-referendum as well as his votes (if any) in the main referendum. [LSJ 19970224] " >So can Conflict of Interests, Kindred Coercion, and Pulling Strings be used >during the Prisci sub-referendum? Well, they're played on the vampire and they affect the way he votes in both the main referendum and the sub-referendum, rather than just for the sub-referendum per se. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Pat Ricochet" <sp...@socrates.gatech.edu> wrote [ quoted text not captured ] Bizarre, I was just answering his question and attempting to provide some levity. Take it as you must, though. - Jason Bell

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote > Jason Bell wrote: > > I am operating under the suspicion that those funny numbers > > represent dates (YYYYMMDD). Bass ackwards, just like > > a whole bunch of things about this game. > > YYYYMMDD is the accepted form of date specification in an international > forum. No ambiguity there. The alternative format that I use is > DD-MON-YYYY, which is longer and doesn't sort well, but it easier to > read, at least for English speakers. > > What, exactly, is Bass ackwards about this? Mmmm, that's good bass. - Jason Bell

"Jason Bell" <Jason...@mail.com> wrote in news:KuMc7.108759$TM5.16577327 @typhoon.southeast.rr.com: >> > I am operating under the suspicion that those funny numbers >> > represent dates (YYYYMMDD). Bass ackwards, just like a whole bunch >> > of things about this game. >> >> And you wonder why dissention and flames follow you around the >> newsgroup. Could I recommend attempting a positive stance, or instead >> playing some game you actually enjoy? > > Bizarre, I was just answering his question and attempting > to provide some levity. Take it as you must, though. Some things are starting to become clear, what with having located another news server for myself, finally being able to read your positions on the whole Jack Crow issue, and now this. You don't actually seem to understand some things about communicating via e-mail, USENET, or whichever. This isn't intended as a cheap shot, it's just a statement. Tone of voice doesn't carry through text. That's why those evil "emoticons" such as :) and the rest have survived for so long; they provide some hint as to what tone of voice the reader SHOULD be applying to the message. Now, look back at what you said. I know that you HEARD yourself saying it and being funny in your own head, but there isn't a damn thing to let us know that you're trying to be funny there, and given your history, you got blasted for it. If you had posted it as: >> > represent dates (YYYYMMDD). Bass ackwards, just like a whole bunch >> > of things about this game... :) nobody would've said SHIT to you. It's amazing how much difference a few characters can make... especially if you're a notorious flamer. I suppose this is why I litter my own messages with :) sometimes, to make sure people don't accidentally take me TOO seriously. A little self-awareness is all it takes. Again, this is not intended as a flame, just as a suggestion; and maybe you'll understand more why we take potshots at Jack Crow so much. What you say isn't even REMOTELY as important as how you say it.

Regarding this: >>>> I am operating under the suspicion that those funny numbers >>>> represent dates (YYYYMMDD). Bass ackwards, just like a whole bunch >>>> of things about this game. >>> >>> And you wonder why dissention and flames follow you around the >>> newsgroup. Could I recommend attempting a positive stance, or instead >>> playing some game you actually enjoy? >> >> Bizarre, I was just answering his question and attempting >> to provide some levity. Take it as you must, though. This... > Now, look back at what you said. I know that you HEARD yourself saying it > and being funny in your own head, but there isn't a damn thing to let us > know that you're trying to be funny there, and given your history, you got > blasted for it. If you had posted it as: > >>>> represent dates (YYYYMMDD). Bass ackwards, just like a whole bunch >>>> of things about this game... :) > > nobody would've said SHIT to you. ...is spot on. Given your negativity in other discussions (e.g., the whole "fleecing" issue) I "took it as I must," in absence of any other evidence. (That is, I assumed you to be bashing the game.) Andrew Davidson, when called on the same kind of thing, said emoticons, etc, were too "cutesy" for him. Nevertheless, he has tossed in a few "<grin>"s since then when he's saying something that really *could* be taken seriously. You may well say "You should get it from context; deal with it," in which case you will get blasted without the benefit of the doubt, deal with it. However you do it, don't expect us to read your mind. Feel free to reply with "Down, boy! Joke! Joke!" should I/we snarl in misunderstanding; you'll come out looking better than if you used a harsh rebuke, not to mention it would "provide some levity." =) ("Jack Crow," the entire above paragraph applies to you as well. Assuming you can read my posts; I've lost track of who is and isn't filtering posts of people they don't want to hear. =) [ quoted text not captured ]

Pat Ricochet <sp...@socrates.gatech.edu> wrote in message news:<B7998F7A.656C%sp...@socrates.gatech.edu>... > Regarding this: > > >>>> I am operating under the suspicion that those funny numbers > >>>> represent dates (YYYYMMDD). Bass ackwards, just like a whole bunch > >>>> of things about this game. > >>> Funny... all this argumentation, and I didn't even ask a question about the funny numbers. They're just funny numbers. *shrug* [CDB19971031] I can see that we Malkavs really have our work cut out for us here.

In message <5287ede4.01081...@posting.google.com>, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes >I can see that we Malkavs really have our work cut out for us here. Mike Ooi manages fine.... [ quoted text not captured ]