Questions from a beginner (John)!

Just to slightly introduce myself I am a Ohio State Student and have just been introduced to Jyhad, right now me and my brother play along with one other friend. I have only played about 5 games so I consider myself a beginner. I have 1 starter set and about 15 boosters. I am reading everything I can on Jyhad to catch up but I know it takes time. I do have copies of the Rules 1.4, Rules for Specific Cards, House Rules, and even some of the questions other people have asked. I apologize if these questions seem too obvious but I am trying hard to learn. When you reply I would appreciate it if you did so in semi-beginner terminology (I'm just learning the lingo). AND if something is in one of the manuals I have it's o.k. with me if you just tell me where to look (section, paragraph, etc.). THANK YOU VERY MUCH IN ADVANCE!!!!!! (-: (Left-handed user) ________________________________________________________________________ 1. How many total cards are there? Is it 438 (just the number please)? Can someone email me a list of all of the error cards or misprints? At least how many are there? I am looking for the complete list but I saw a few in magazines and a few posted here. From these lists I can come up with a figure and I just want to make sure we aren't all missing something simple. ________________________________________________________________________ 2. When using a disguised/concealed weapon can placing it on your vamp be blocked or is it automatic? Who can block it? I think it is during the combat right? ________________________________________________________________________ 3. When do you play Amaranth - with other strike cards or only by itself? ________________________________________________________________________ 4. If you can strike at range and your opponent can't - (with a maneuver or whatever) does this mean that you are hitting and they aren't? ________________________________________________________________________ 5. Does the writing on the Night Moves card basically say that you can only bleed 1 pool with this card (regardless of modifiers)? ________________________________________________________________________ 6. When I see a card that says (like Bloodhunt): +1 stealth. Prince or Justicar Does that mean that only a ready Prince or Justicar can play it? ________________________________________________________________________ 7. On Cloak the Gathering let's say I control Vamps A and B. Do I play it to help A when vamp B is performing an action? ________________________________________________________________________ 8. For Fast Reaction can I use it at the end of a combat round or at the end of combat? Does this mean A and B are fighting (I control A)- I use FR with a second vamp (say C) and tap C, then I am fighting with vamp B and he doesn't fight back on the first round. Do we start a new round with A & C fighting B? Explain Please! ________________________________________________________________________ 9. Is Misdirection used only once or is it kept around like a unique location? If so, do you pay x once and you can always tap x vamps each turn (Probably not but it's worth asking)? ________________________________________________________________________ 10. If Blood Doll is on a vamp and someone steals or takes over control of the vamp, does the BD card stay with the vamp and give the same right to the new Methuselah? ________________________________________________________________________ 11. It says that Haven Uncovered can be burnt by Vamp as an action, can attempting to burn the card be blocked or attempted to block? By anyone? ________________________________________________________________________ 12. Can the Elder Library card be burnt (arson etc.)? If so, when they try I can try to block right? ________________________________________________________________________ 13. Am I reading the Drawing Out The Beast card right - does the vamp you're attacking get the +1 hand damage? Why would this be a good card? ________________________________________________________________________ 14. The Millicent Smith - Puritan Vampire Hunter card, a. when I play it in my master phase does this mean that if I get blocked on the first round (let's say that I am just now playing her) that my vamp and her get burnt then? The card just says to pass her right after turn. b. If after passed my pred. does not have an action blocked, does she stay with him or do they pass her right again? (If so, does this keep going until she is used - OUCH!) ________________________________________________________________________ 15. If Navar can't block an older vamp then by giving him skills you are increasing his age right? That means that Navar with 3 skills can block vamps up to 4 ??? ________________________________________________________________________ 16. Finally, when I started out someone said to pick a clan and play them until you get to know them and then eventually you might switch and mix it up. Well, I have traded cards with friends etc. to get the Tremere clan and I enjoy them. Does anyone have any advice for card mixes for me to play with this clan? ________________________________________________________________________ THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!!! You can email responses right back to me at::: Weld...@osu.edu and I will check this newsgroup again. Another Jyhad Addict John "Prepare for the difficult while it is still easy. Deal with the big while it is still small. Difficult undertakings have always started with what's easy. Great undertakings always started with what is small. Therefore the sage never strives for the great, and thereby the great is achieved." Lao-Tzu (B.C. 600)

In article <1995050517...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>, John D. Welday <weld...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >Just to slightly introduce myself I am a Ohio State Student and have just >been introduced to Jyhad, right now me and my brother play along with one >other friend. I have only played about 5 games so I consider myself a Welcome to the game! We're having a bit of a worry as to what the future holds, but the game will be around for a while, and I hope you'll enjoy it as much as we around here do! >1. How many total cards are there? Is it 438 (just the number please)? > Can someone email me a list of all of the error cards or misprints? >At least how many are there? Yes, the current number is 438. I don't have a list of all of the misprints, sorry. >2. When using a disguised/concealed weapon can placing it on your vamp be >blocked or is it automatic? Who can block it? I think it is during the >combat right? Both of those cards are indeed combat cards, and the weapons revealed (played) by those cards can't be blocked, since there's not an action associated with it. >3. When do you play Amaranth - with other strike cards or only by itself? Amaranth isn't a strike. You play it after strikes have resolved and it has been determined that your opponent is going to torpor (and you are not). >4. If you can strike at range and your opponent can't - (with a maneuver or >whatever) does this mean that you are hitting and they aren't? Yes, it does. You must always choose a strike, even at long range, but if you do not have a long range strike, you cannot deal any damage at long range. >5. Does the writing on the Night Moves card basically say that you can only >bleed 1 pool with this card (regardless of modifiers)? Yep. Modifiers are ignored, and only 1 blood is lost. >6. When I see a card that says (like Bloodhunt):+1 stealth. Prince or Justicar > Does that mean that only a ready Prince or Justicar can play it? Yes. There are two types of things that appear in boldface at the top of cards. One type is a modifier (such as +1 Stealth), and the other limits who can use the card. Prince or Justicar means that only someone who holds that title can use that card. Another frequent example is "All Kindred" which means that only vampires can take that action ("All Kindred" appears on all political action cards). >7. On Cloak the Gathering let's say I control Vamps A and B. Do I play it >to help A when vamp B is performing an action? Vampire A plays it to help minion B's action while B is performing the action. Basically vampire A can lend stealth to B's action. >8. For Fast Reaction can I use it at the end of a combat round or at the >end of combat? It happens at the end of combat, not the end of a round. > Does this mean A and B are fighting (I control A)- I use FR with a >second vamp (say C) and tap C, then I am fighting with vamp B and he doesn't >fight back on the first round. Do we start a new round with A & C fighting >B? Explain Please! Vampire A is out of the fight once you play FR. FR is played once the original fight has finished, and starts an entirely new combat from scratch. So C is fighting B and B doesn't get to strike on the first round of this new combat. A is off somewhere else. >9. Is Misdirection used only once or is it kept around like a unique location? > If so, do you pay x once and you can always tap x vamps each turn >(Probably not but it's worth asking)? No no, it's not *that* powerful. You only use it once and then it goes to the Ash Heap. Sorry. >10. If Blood Doll is on a vamp and someone steals or takes over control of >the vamp, does the BD card stay with the vamp and give the same right to the >new Methuselah? I believe that the ruling is that the new controller gets to drain the Doll as if she had played the card. >11. It says that Haven Uncovered can be burnt by Vamp as an action, can >attempting to burn the card be blocked or attempted to block? By anyone? The action is a normal, undirected action, and can be blocked by the predator or prey of that Methuselah. >12. Can the Elder Library card be burnt (arson etc.)? If so, when they try >I can try to block right? Yes and yes. >13. Am I reading the Drawing Out The Beast card right - does the vamp you're >attacking get the +1 hand damage? Why would this be a good card? Because it prevents them from using strike cards. If you are facing someone who can do 3 or more damage to you, or who can do aggravated damage, you may want to stop them from doing that. >14. The Millicent Smith - Puritan Vampire Hunter card, > a. when I play it in my master phase does this mean that if I get >blocked on the first round (let's say that I am just now playing her) that >my vamp and her get burnt then? The card just says to pass her right after >turn. Correct. On the turn you play her, you are affected by her. > b. If after passed my pred. does not have an action blocked, does >she stay with him or do they pass her right again? (If so, does this keep >going until she is used - OUCH!) She keeps moving until she's burned or the game is over. She's pretty nasty. Add a Reversal of Fortunes, and you're going to hose someone very quickly (unless they have a Caitiff to throw away... :-)). >15. If Navar can't block an older vamp then by giving him skills you are >increasing his age right? That means that Navar with 3 skills can block >vamps up to 4 ??? Correct. >16. Finally, when I started out someone said to pick a clan and play them >until you get to know them and then eventually you might switch and mix it >up. Well, I have traded cards with friends etc. to get the Tremere clan and >I enjoy them. Does anyone have any advice for card mixes for me to play >with this clan? I'm sure you'll get lots of advice, as they're a fun clan to play, and there are a few different ways to play them. Personally, I use them in my "Bruise or Bleed" deck, where I either beat you up with Thaumaturgy or bleed you for lots with Dominate. | If you've got a hot lead on a new | *--Joe--* | PC game, call the announce line at | js...@vt.edu | ** csi...@discus.ise.vt.edu ** | +-------------------------------------+---------------------------------- "Carnivores, oy!" -- Timon, TLK

In article <1995050517...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>, John D. Welday <weld...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote: [intro snipped] >THANK YOU VERY MUCH IN ADVANCE!!!!!! >(-: (Left-handed user) i appreciate the sentiment, but as a point of etiquette, most people find that EXCESSIVE CAPITALIZATION AND PUNCTUATION!!!!! is distracting, or even mildly annoying. >2. When using a disguised/concealed weapon can placing it on your vamp be >blocked or is it automatic? Who can block it? I think it is during the >combat right? it's a combat card, and so can't be blocked. a common house rule is that concealed weapon does not require Obfuscate; there are several good reasons behind this. >3. When do you play Amaranth - with other strike cards or only by itself? Amaranth isn't a strike; it is an alternative way of dealing with a strike's consequences (i.e., diablerie vis-a-vis torpor). play it when the vampire should go to torpor (typically during strike resolution). >4. If you can strike at range and your opponent can't - (with a maneuver or >whatever) does this mean that you are hitting and they aren't? why, yes. that seems fairly intuitive. >5. Does the writing on the Night Moves card basically say that you can only >bleed 1 pool with this card (regardless of modifiers)? why, yes. and this, too, seems fairly intuitive. >6. When I see a card that says (like Bloodhunt): +1 stealth. Prince or Justicar > Does that mean that only a ready Prince or Justicar can play it? correct. >7. On Cloak the Gathering let's say I control Vamps A and B. Do I play it >to help A when vamp B is performing an action? why would you want to do that? a isn't doing anything. b (acting minion) is taking an action, and superior obfuscate a (who, by the latest design team ruling [sigh] doesn't even need to be untapped) cloaks b's gathering, granting b stealth. >8. For Fast Reaction can I use it at the end of a combat round or at the >end of combat? at end of combat. > Does this mean A and B are fighting (I control A)- I use FR with a >second vamp (say C) and tap C, then I am fighting with vamp B and he doesn't >fight back on the first round. Do we start a new round with A & C fighting >B? Explain Please! no, no. you only play combat cards (the ones with the twisty arrows pointing at each other) in combat. you play reactions cards (the ones with the single curved arrow) outside of combat. Fast Reaction initiates a whole new combat, with acting minion b entering combat (and unable to strike the first round) with fast reactioned vampire c (who would not count as a blocking minion for whatever obscure conditions that might be important for). >9. Is Misdirection used only once or is it kept around like a unique location? > If so, do you pay x once and you can always tap x vamps each turn >(Probably not but it's worth asking)? oh, goddess, no. it's ugly enough as it is (though not all that cost-effective). one use only. >10. If Blood Doll is on a vamp and someone steals or takes over control of >the vamp, does the BD card stay with the vamp and give the same right to the >new Methuselah? i'm fuzzy on this; anyone else know? >11. It says that Haven Uncovered can be burnt by Vamp as an action, can >attempting to burn the card be blocked or attempted to block? By anyone? why, yes. it's an action at +1 stealth. it can be blocked just like any other nondirected action at +1 stealth, i.e. by any minion of your prey or predator with +1 intercept, or anyone on the table with eagle's sight and +1 intercept, or anneke with +1 intercept. >12. Can the Elder Library card be burnt (arson etc.)? If so, when they try >I can try to block right? it's a location; sure it can be burnt. actions taken to burn it can be blocked as usual. >13. Am I reading the Drawing Out The Beast card right - does the vamp you're >attacking get the +1 hand damage? Why would this be a good card? +1 hand damage beats the hell out a flame thrower or a rocket launcher or any of the many nasty weapons out there. it's a good card against annoying equipment decks. >14. The Millicent Smith - Puritan Vampire Hunter card, > a. when I play it in my master phase does this mean that if I get >blocked on the first round (let's say that I am just now playing her) that >my vamp and her get burnt then? The card just says to pass her right after >turn. yup. make sure you're in a good defensive position when you try to pull this off. > b. If after passed my pred. does not have an action blocked, does >she stay with him or do they pass her right again? (If so, does this keep >going until she is used - OUCH!) nope, she passes to the right. very nasty, and quite effective in a deck made to take advantage of it (madness network comes to mind immediately). >15. If Navar can't block an older vamp then by giving him skills you are >increasing his age right? That means that Navar with 3 skills can block >vamps up to 4 ??? sure thing. people love layering them skill cards on navar. sure it's slow and inefficient, but the giggle factor alone more than makes up for it. >16. Finally, when I started out someone said to pick a clan and play them >until you get to know them and then eventually you might switch and mix it >up. Well, I have traded cards with friends etc. to get the Tremere clan and >I enjoy them. Does anyone have any advice for card mixes for me to play >with this clan? oooh. tremere. well, you have lots of options (well, any clan gives you lots of options). let's explore: there's tremere first-round combat, basically maneuvers (you'll have to use fake outs and IR goggles, since their disciplines are notoriously maneuver-short -- you can occasionally get away with sup. Movement of the Mind) and Theft of Vitae. Tremere minor in celerity -- some additional skill cards and Celerity skills might be a good angle to explore. chuck in loads of intercept and fast reactions and you can keep a lot of vampires hunting. intercept the hunts and send them to happy torpor ville. there's the dreaded second-round tremere combat, with the nasty cards -- drain essence, walk of flame, cauldron of blood. again, tremere are press-weak (well, they have presses to end with movement of the mind, but that's not what we want here) -- you'll have to remedy this with Mob Connections, Boxed in, and (my personal approach) Trap. the script is simple: block->trap->theft->drain->walk. season with weather controls. in both of the above, don't forget to add significant quantities of dominate bleed boosters for two uses: bleed the hell out of your prey when all their vampires are tapped, in torpor, or scared, and to make your prey either have to block or eat severe bleed. people with auspex and/or dominate can be annoyingly effective at ignoring this strategy, what with telepathic counter, telepathic misdirection, and deflection. a pulse of the canaille or six never hurt anybody. in general, get into combat rather than avoiding it; leave obedience to the ventrue. or, if you're feeling munchkinish, chantry/fame/talbot's chainsaw can work wonders at getting large quantities of people pissed at you. have fun, heckler -- If you've ever received email (or ANY sort of mail) from anyone who talks to you with respect, or even (*GASP*) admires you, please forward it to me so i may go into an apoplectic coma. -5150

All of the answers look correct, and... Joseph Cochran <js...@discus.ise.vt.edu> wrote: >>10. If Blood Doll is on a vamp and someone steals or takes over control of >>the vamp, does the BD card stay with the vamp and give the same right to the >>new Methuselah? > I believe that the ruling is that the new controller gets to >drain the Doll as if she had played the card. Correct. I'm pretty sure that has to be considered errata to the card. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

: ________________________________________________________________________ : 16. Finally, when I started out someone said to pick a clan and play them : until you get to know them and then eventually you might switch and mix it : up. Well, I have traded cards with friends etc. to get the Tremere clan and : I enjoy them. Does anyone have any advice for card mixes for me to play : with this clan? : _______________________________________________ : THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!!! : You can email responses right back to me at::: Weld...@osu.edu : and I will check this newsgroup again. : Another Jyhad Addict : John I figured I'd just answer this one question, since everybody probably answered all the other ones. I don't know how much this will help you, since you don't have that much of a card-base to go on.. but here goes. The Tremere possess the three basic powers; Thamaturgy, Dominate, and Auspex. This gives you a selection of three basic deck types.. Combat-oriented (for Thamaturgy), Bleed oriented (with Dominate) and intercept-defense oriented (with Auspex). First off, a deck who's sole purpose is to fend off your predator is not a good deck... and whereas a Bleed deck might be fun, it doesn't usually work with this clan because there are few ways to add stealth to your bleed attempts. That leaves us with a combat oriented deck. Take a moment to look at the disciplines your minions have; especially the higher ones. You'll notice that most of your minions that are generation 6 or higher each have Auspex, Dominate, Thamaturgy, AND CELERITY. Celerity gives the vampire extra strikes, dodges with additional strikes, and so on. My current deck uses celerity extensively.. and here's how it works. My crypt is built so any Tremere that is over level 6 has Celerity already printed on the card. I have two of each minion below 4, to keep the crypt balanced. My library is built as follows: (usually play with 100 cards) 5-10 Celerity skill cards. These invariably go on the lower vamps. Hunting ground. Arcane Library, which lets you add free blood to your uncontrolled vamps during your influence. 5 Govern the Unaligned.. which I usually use to put blood on ucvs 5-10 blurs. These provide additional strikes. 5 hawgs for presses. 10 boxed-ins. for presses. 5-10 Theft of Vitae.. a ranged attack. 5 deer rifles.. for manuvering to long range. 5 zip guns for manuver to long range 2 dragon breath rounds.. for a nasty surprise. 5 Bum Rushes and the rest of the library consists of Walk of Flame, Cauldron of Blood, and Drain Essence. A good round of combat will go as follows: I bum rush a particular vampire. I manuver to long range using the bum-rush, deer rifle, or zip gun. Shoot for one damage. Press (using whatever means) Blur (for 2-3 strikes.) Cauldron of Blood, Drain Essence, and Walk of Flame. On a best case senario, this will BURN a 10 level vampire. 1+5+4+2ag Just make sure that you play WoFlame LAST, as this will put your opponent into torpor.. or burn it if there's no blood left on the vampire. This will also save any blood loss if the particular vampire has the "Fame" card played on it. The Drain Essense will also replenish any blood lost due to other actions (like blur, opponent shooting back.. etc). Of course, you probably don't have enough cards to do this.. but it's something to think about. Always remember, when building a deck that is specific for one or two clans.. make sure to look for commonalities in their disciplines.. Several Malkavians have Thamaturgy.. A couple of Toreador have Protean... you get the idea. This makes combining certian clans together easier than you might suspect. Good luck! Joseph. < mcev...@matrix.newpaltz.edu >

joseph mcevoy (mcev...@matrix.newpaltz.edu) wrote: : : ________________________________________________________________________ : : 16. Finally, when I started out someone said to pick a clan and play them : : until you get to know them and then eventually you might switch and mix it : : up. Well, I have traded cards with friends etc. to get the Tremere clan and : : I enjoy them. Does anyone have any advice for card mixes for me to play : : with this clan? : : _______________________________________________ : : THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!!! : : You can email responses right back to me at::: Weld...@osu.edu : : and I will check this newsgroup again. : : Another Jyhad Addict : : John : I figured I'd just answer this one question, since everybody : probably answered all the other ones. I don't know how much this will help : you, since you don't have that much of a card-base to go on.. but here goes. [Tremere combat deck description deleted] What I've been having a lot of fun with lately is a Tremere bleed-bounce deck that does not use any of the "second round (or later) only" combat cards. Both Auspex and Dominate have cards to send a bleed against you on to someone else - very handy, as you can have your predator do most of your dirty work for you. I put enough intercept in to deal with non-bleed actions, and for combat, focus on maneuvers, guns, and theft of vitae. Movement of the Mind, IR goggles, .44 magnums, Deer Rifle. Maneuver to long range, shoot or steal blood, then press to end (if necessary). I use this instead of the heavy combat approach because it requires fewer cards (allowing me to put more other stuff in my deck, like votes, mages, and *lots* of bleed bouncers), and is less reliant on getting just the right combinations. I've been attempting to mix in enough Ventrue to do well with political actions, but haven't quite got the deck working right yet. I do kind of like having Jazz Wentworth in there - if you're counting on using bleed bounces to get your predator to kill your prey for you, you won't get the Edge very often. Tend to run into trouble in the end-game, however - what good are those bleed bouncers when you're one of the last two players left? -- Jeremy (bea...@netcom.com, bea...@delphi.com)