Justicar Retribution

Can anyone tell me what "Justicar Retribution" does? I don't have a copy. Thanks, Lupus Australis ____ ____ \ \----/ / |()__()| __\ __ /__ / __\()/__ \ |/ \==/ \| | || |

Lupus Australis wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what "Justicar Retribution" does? I don't have a > copy. Justicar Retribution Political Action Political Card-Worth 1 Vote Called by any vampire at +1 stealth. Successful vote burns all vampires with a current bleed of 3 or more. Michael Weaver Uncommon -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

Speeking of Justicar retribution: >Justicar Retribution >Political Action >Political Card-Worth 1 Vote >Called by any vampire at +1 stealth. >Successful vote burns all vampires with a current bleed of 3 or more. >Michael Weaver >Uncommon Does this burn al Inner Circle members? It seems like it does, but that it a lot of power for a vote that any vampire can call. Jason

[ quoted text not captured ] Not only does it burn IC's but let them lay out a couple Pulse's and try to go for the big body count. But lets see you try to get it passed when 2 or 3 IC's hit the table its hard but can be done. Daniel Catiff at Large

SirTemple wrote: > > >Not only does it burn IC's but let them lay out a couple Pulse's and try > >to go for the big body count. > > But the Rules page says: > * Does not count a +bleed that isn't 'active' (Laptop,e.g.)[TOM 960109] > > Which +bleed modifiers are active, and which aren't? The bleed bonuses that only apply when bleeding (Constanza Vinti, Khabar: Community, Enchanted Marionette) or bleed bonuses that are optional (Laptop - since using equipment is always optional, Kalinda) are not counted by Justicar Retribution. In short - Justicar Retribution only counts active bleed bonuses, and since the "bonuses when bleed" aren't active and the optional bonuses aren't active (unless the minion chooses to make it active), they don't count. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) wrote: : Justicar Retribution : Political Action : Political Card-Worth 1 Vote : Called by any vampire at +1 stealth. : Successful vote burns all vampires with a current bleed of 3 or more. : Michael Weaver : Uncommon Hmmm. How do you determine what the current bleed is? I am aware that Laptop Computer is excluded from calculations, because, as equipment, it is optional. I suspect that superior spying missions played on a vampire don't count either. What about "Loquipment", like Inverary, Scotland. Is that optional too? What is the "current bleed" of an IC member in torpor, 3 or zero? What about conditional bleed bonuses? Would Queen Anne be burned if her prey had a ready Tremere? According to Errata, this bonus is actually dependent on whether the Methuselah she bleeds has a ready Tremere, so her "current bleed" is dependent on which Methuselah she chooses to bleed. Still, would she be burned if ALL other methuselahs had a ready Tremere? [ quoted text not captured ]

>Not only does it burn IC's but let them lay out a couple Pulse's and try >to go for the big body count. But the Rules page says: * Does not count a +bleed that isn't 'active' (Laptop,e.g.)[TOM 960109] Which +bleed modifiers are active, and which aren't? Jason

[ quoted text not captured ] Equipment is always optional, whereas retainers never are. Thus, the optional +1 bleed from a laptop is not considered to be "active" or "current" until it is "activated" during the course of a bleed. The +2 bleed granted by superior Spying Mission is likewise not "activated" unless certain conditions are met. All other plusses, AFAIK are permanent and non-optional unless otherwise indicated. If Ozmo (+1 bleed--not optional) employs Tasha Morgan (which always gives +1 bleed regardless of intentions of Ozmo) then effectively he has a current bleed of 3 and is vulnerable to Justicar Retribution. Same goes for superior Pulse of the Canaille, Legendary Vampire, etc. [ quoted text not captured ]

John Whelan wrote: > LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) wrote: > : Justicar Retribution > : Successful vote burns all vampires with a current bleed of 3 or more. > > Hmmm. How do you determine what the current bleed is? Add up all of the bleed modifiers currently in effect and the minion's base bleed. > I am aware that Laptop Computer is excluded from calculations, because, as > equipment, it is optional. I suspect that superior spying missions played > on a vampire don't count either. Correct. Equipment is always optional, and superior Spying Mission doesn't increase the minion's bleed until he successfully bleeds the same Methuselah the next time. > What about "Loquipment", like Inverary, Scotland. Is that optional too? Apparently not: From: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Subject: Re: TOM: Q: Inverary Scotland and Justicar Retribution Date: 23 Apr 1996 21:43:18 GMT Message-ID: <4ljitm$c...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Inveraray's bonus can't be ignored, so will count for Justicar Retribution and so forth. and From: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Subject: Re: TOM: Q: Inverary Scotland and Justicar Retribution Date: 30 Apr 1996 22:03:45 GMT Message-ID: <4m62o1$1...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> L. Scott Johnson <sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu> wrote: >>Inveraray's bonus can't be ignored, so will count for Justicar Retribution >>and so forth. >Can we get a general reasoning for this? >The rule has been stated as: >"Bleed-enhancing permanents typically only apply during a bleed action" That is a general rule of thumb for designing/writing cards. It is not a hard and fast rule. Inveraray doesn't say the bonus only applies during a bleed action, so it applies at all times. > What is the "current bleed" of an IC member in torpor, 3 or zero? 3. Being ready and/or untapped has no bearing on a minion's bleed. > What about conditional bleed bonuses? Would Queen Anne be burned if her > prey had a ready Tremere? According to Errata, this bonus is actually > dependent on whether the Methuselah she bleeds has a ready Tremere, so her > "current bleed" is dependent on which Methuselah she chooses to bleed. > Still, would she be burned if ALL other methuselahs had a ready Tremere? According to errata, she only gets her bonus when "the Methuselah she bleeds controls a ..." [RTR 960530] So, when she's not bleeding, the bonus doesn't apply. [ quoted text not captured ]

Justicar Retribution burns all vampires with a current bleed of 3 or more.

Lupus Australis <jbwh...@dorsai.org> wrote in article <Pine.SUN.3.96.980124023958.11374D-100000@amanda>... > > Can anyone tell me what "Justicar Retribution" does? I don't have a > copy. > It's a political card called by any vampire, if successful, it burns every vampire with a current bleed of 3 or more.