Powerbase: Tshwane questions

If Lorrie Dunsirn takes a carded action with no intrinsic pool cost, can I tap Powerbase: Tshwane to cancel Lorrie's added pool cost? Similarly, can I tap Powerbase: Tshwane to cancel the pool cost for playing a free master on a vampire with a Secure Haven? Marc G.

Marc Gabriele wrote: > If Lorrie Dunsirn takes a carded action with no intrinsic pool > cost, can I tap Powerbase: Tshwane to cancel Lorrie's added pool cost? Yes. Lorrie's added pool cost is part of the cost of the action. > Similarly, can I tap Powerbase: Tshwane to cancel the pool cost for > playing a free master on a vampire with a Secure Haven? No. That is not cost.

it's almost the same question, but... who knows? (you, i suppose) i don't remember the name, but there is in play the gehenna event that increases by 1 the blood cost of any discipline card. i'm playing lasombra and there is in play the path of night. i suppose obtenebration cards still cost as noted on the cards. am i right?

Cut wrote: > i don't remember the name, but there is in play the gehenna event that > increases by 1 the blood cost of any discipline card. > i'm playing lasombra and there is in play the path of night. > i suppose obtenebration cards still cost as noted on the cards. > am i right? Increasing the cost by one and then paying one less has a net effect of zero, yes. -- That is my story, be it bitter or be it sweet. Keep a little and let a little come back to me. LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > Cut wrote: > >> i don't remember the name, but there is in play the gehenna event that >> increases by 1 the blood cost of any discipline card. >> i'm playing lasombra and there is in play the path of night. >> i suppose obtenebration cards still cost as noted on the cards. >> am i right? > > > Increasing the cost by one and then paying one less has a net > effect of zero, yes. > And I can conceal out a Sub Machine Gun? Sten During

Sten During wrote: > And I can conceal out a Sub Machine Gun? SMG costs 4 pool. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > Sten During wrote: > >> And I can conceal out a Sub Machine Gun? > > > SMG costs 4 pool. > And I'm too quick as ususal :) Black Cat, I meant :) Sten During

[ quoted text not captured ] Black Cat's SMG would cost 3 pool, so still out of Concealing range. PB: Tshwane can't be brought in, since the concealed card is not being played "as normal" -- that is, for the same reason the Concealed weapon cannot be DI'ed. You could DI the CW card itself (or tap Tshwane to reduce the cost of CW). [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, LSJ wrote: > Marc Gabriele wrote: >> If Lorrie Dunsirn takes a carded action with no intrinsic pool >> cost, can I tap Powerbase: Tshwane to cancel Lorrie's added pool cost? > > Yes. Lorrie's added pool cost is part of the cost of the action. To follow up, must I tap the powerbase when the action is declared, or can I wait until just before the cost for the action is to be paid? Marc G.

Marc Gabriele wrote: > To follow up, must I tap the powerbase when the action is declared, or > can I wait until just before the cost for the action is to be paid? Tap it when the card is played. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:27:46 GMT, LSJ <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> scrawled: >Marc Gabriele wrote: >> To follow up, must I tap the powerbase when the action is declared, or >> can I wait until just before the cost for the action is to be paid? > >Tap it when the card is played. Same with burning Soul of the Earth? so it could be 'wasted' if the recruit ally or employ retainer action is blocked? salem http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

LSJ wrote: > Marc Gabriele wrote: > > To follow up, must I tap the powerbase when the action is declared, or > > can I wait until just before the cost for the action is to be paid? > > Tap it when the card is played. Do you tap the PB:T before or after the window for DI? Thanks, Ira

salem wrote: > On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:27:46 GMT, LSJ <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> > scrawled: > > >Marc Gabriele wrote: > >> To follow up, must I tap the powerbase when the action is declared, or > >> can I wait until just before the cost for the action is to be paid? > > > >Tap it when the card is played. > > Same with burning Soul of the Earth? No. SotE doesn't use the same "play" template that is used no PB:T

[ quoted text not captured ] Card text indicates it doesn't matter, but before is correct.

[ quoted text not captured ] Oops. :) Sorry! Then again, know the right way is still helpful, since it might affect whether or not I want to DI. Thanks for the help, as always! Ira

[ quoted text not captured ] The timing does matter, just not for the original card - but if you have to tap it before DI is played, it's not available to use on a second pool-costing card later because DI won't untap the Powerbase as part of cancelling the action. (This by extention also matters to Gualtiero Ghilberti; since you can apparently still DI a necromancy action after he declares his special, the GG player can't wait to see if you DI it before using his 'once per turn' ability up.) Thanks for the clarification. -John Flournoy

John Flournoy wrote: > LSJ wrote: > >>ira...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>LSJ wrote: >>> >>>>Marc Gabriele wrote: >>>> >>>>>To follow up, must I tap the powerbase when the action is declared, or >>>>>can I wait until just before the cost for the action is to be paid? >>>> >>>>Tap it when the card is played. >>> >>>Do you tap the PB:T before or after the window for DI? >> >>Card text indicates it doesn't matter, but before is correct. > > The timing does matter, just not for the original card - but if you > have to tap it before DI is played, it's not available to use on a > second pool-costing card later because DI won't untap the Powerbase as > part of cancelling the action. Yes it will, by card text on PB:T. That's what I meant by "card text indicates it doesn't matter". [ quoted text not captured ]

> >>Card text indicates it doesn't matter, but before is correct. > > > > The timing does matter, just not for the original card - but if you > > have to tap it before DI is played, it's not available to use on a > > second pool-costing card later because DI won't untap the Powerbase as > > part of cancelling the action. > > Yes it will, by card text on PB:T. > That's what I meant by "card text indicates it doesn't matter". Huh. It's almost like this issue was considered in advance! :P (For whatever dumb reason, I was thinking 'card text indicates' was referring to the DI card text; it didn't even cross my mind that PB:T covered it explicitly. Ooops.) > LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) -John Flournoy