Rules/Strategy Q

Can anyone think of a deck that can handle Weenie Hacking Bleed/Zip Gun/DBR/Amaranth? The only ones I can think of even possibly are cel/tha heavy on the Blood Rage and Blood Fury, and Toreador guns plus dodge. J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com> PGP keys by request

J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net> wrote: > Can anyone think of a deck that can handle Weenie Hacking Bleed/Zip > Gun/DBR/Amaranth? The only ones I can think of even possibly are cel/tha > heavy on the Blood Rage and Blood Fury, and Toreador guns plus dodge. Fortitude/Thaumaturgy - Muaziz and Cardano take your hit, and give it back to you. Brush Imomortally Grappling Potence + Maneveurs Gangrel or Nosferatu Animalism + P - the question is, do you want to put them in torpor do to lack of blood, or from aggravated damamge? Toreador S:CE intercept (kinda passive, though) Ventrue voting based around.... hell if I can remember the name of the card - the one where you lose pool for every minion you have. I'm sure there are others, too. -Mark Langsdorf Jyhad Archivist http://www.io.com/~mlangsdo/RPGs/Jyhad/

In article <ewwa-ya02338000...@news.chattanooga.net>, J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net> wrote: >Can anyone think of a deck that can handle Weenie Hacking Bleed/Zip >Gun/DBR/Amaranth? The only ones I can think of even possibly are cel/tha >heavy on the Blood Rage and Blood Fury, and Toreador guns plus dodge. The magic words here are "Skin of Steel". Immortal Grapple also works, as does Drowing out the Beast or Terror Frenzy. -- Justin Fang (jus...@ugcs.caltech.edu) This space intentionally left blank.

Mark Langsdorf wrote: > Ventrue voting based around.... hell if I can remember the name of the > card - the one where you lose pool for every minion you have. Ancilla Empowerment Anarchist Uprising [SAB] -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

J. Andrew Lipscomb wrote: > Can anyone think of a deck that can handle Weenie Hacking Bleed/Zip > Gun/DBR/Amaranth? The only ones I can think of even possibly are > cel/tha > heavy on the Blood Rage and Blood Fury, and Toreador guns plus dodge. > Any good Vote deck with lots of bribed Domain Challenges (You have a LOT of minions, really...). Combine this with Protected Recources (your weeny friend can bleed you only for 2 per minion) and Parity Shifts (what, you STILL have more pool than I do?). Voter Cap pushes back your pool in favorable dimensions. Along with some Rotschrecks & Prevention / Dodge cards, you should make him a good game. Reduce bleeds, bleed bounce and Obediance will also make his life a miserable one. Especially Ventrue can also work with Dawn Op & Fortitude Prevention to discourage blockers. So use Ventrue or Toreador. (Perhaps one of them with Atonement, Flack Jacket & Guardian Angel if your blocker has to take Dragonbreath Damage). Last but not least: Take a look at cards like: - Heart of Darkness (Setite, Deck: Combined with Ventrue) Vamp can change ALL aggro damage in normal damage - Reform Body (Tzimisce, Deck: Animalism Untap, Block All with Atonement) If your vamp is burned, you only go into Torpor. Amaranth is not successful. - Fast Reaction & Hidden Lurker (in case those weenies still stand) - Drawing out the Beast (Cannot use their petty Zip Guns) - Leather Jacket Dragon Breath Rounds modify the weapon strike damage, so it is STILL damage from the strike. Prevent it with Leather Jacket (and you untap after equipping) This is probably the best counter: He needs 3 cards to make his combo effective (Bleed Card, Zip Gun, DBR), you need only 1 to counter. He will run out of cards eventually. - Apparition (Ravnos, Animalism Untap with Atonement) - Spiritual Protector (Giovanni, use: Carlotta Giovanni) Last but not least: Don't block, construct a faster Weeny Bleeder. (Pre Obf, just Pre, Pre Dom) Don't block, attack first: Brujah with Acrobatics and Sewer Lids... There may be many more Michael Beer